Current Superman and Thor vs Runner...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
1) Beating up Thanos (while Thanos had 3 Gems to Runners 1); true he had the Space Gem, but he never used it during the beating (no teleportation occured [according to Thanos, Runner would sometimes use the Gem subconsciously to teleport; according to Thanos, the Gem did NOT make Runner faster]; Runner was owning Thanos with nothing but his own natural speed and combat agility)...

Had Thanos actually been fighting back, Runner's showing would be a lot more impressive.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's worth noting that Thanos didn't even attempt to fight back(offensively or defensively.) He just sat there and allowed Runner to attack him.

Had Thanos actually been fighting back, Runner's showing would be a lot more impressive.

Oh that's not true...

Thanos attempted to blast Runner and was punished for the attempt...

It was then that Runner threatened to beat Thanos into grape jelly if he didn't talk...Thanos choose to talk.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's worth noting that Thanos didn't even attempt to fight back(offensively or defensively.) He just sat there and allowed Runner to attack him.

Had Thanos actually been fighting back, Runner's showing would be a lot more impressive.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Oh that's not true...

Thanos attempted to blast Runner and was punished for the attempt...

It was then that Runner threatened to beat Thanos into grape jelly if he didn't talk...Thanos choose to talk.

Then how does Thanos beat him? By using the Time Gem to age him to the point of being helpless. Some win.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Oh that's not true...

Thanos attempted to blast Runner and was punished for the attempt...

It was then that Runner threatened to beat Thanos into grape jelly if he didn't talk...Thanos choose to talk.

But still, that's all he attempted. No other blasts. No physicality. No shields. Nothing else. All that tells us is that Runner is fast enough to avoid Thanos' eye-beams. It doesn't tell us where Runner's personal power stands in comparison to that of Thanos. I'm essentially saying that if Runner would have straight up overpowered Thanos(like he did to Surfer), said showing would have been FAR more impressive... Which is true whether you like it or not.

...Though I suppose if Starlin had allowed Thanos to utilize abilities like shielding, Runner's 'awe-factor' would have dropped significantly, given that all of his attacks would have been completely ineffectual. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
That's true. I forgot about the eye-beam. 👆

But still, that's all he attempted. No other blasts. No physicality. No shields. Nothing else. All that tells us is that Runner is fast enough to avoid Thanos' eye-beams. It doesn't tell us where Runner's personal power stands in comparison to that of Thanos. I'm essentially saying that if Runner would have straight up overpowered Thanos(like he did to Surfer), said showing would have been FAR more impressive... Which is true whether you like it or not.

...Though I suppose if Starlin had allowed Thanos to utilize abilities like shielding, Runner's 'awe-factor' would have dropped significantly, given that all of his attacks would have been completely ineffectual. /shrug

Under Starlin to boot. Captain Mar-vell ran rings around him and actually wore him down untill he made a mistake.

a.) That is pre-res Thanos, who was weaker than post-res Thanos. The latter is who I'm discussing.
b.) Pre-res Thanos still caught Marv and proceeded to one-shot him.
c.) I'm not saying Runner's showing vs. Thanos was unimpressive. I'm simply saying that if he would've straight up overpowered Thanos(like he did to Surfer), said showing would have been even more impressive... Which, again, is absolutely true.

d.) Is it possible for you not to lowball a character in every thread you participate in? Honest question, because I can't remember you doing so in recent years.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even Gamora can dodge Thanos' blasts.

Under Starlin to boot. Captain Mar-vell ran rings around him and actually wore him down untill he made a mistake.

Runner took on a Thanos more powerful than the one Captain Marvel fought (who by the way was also rocking 2 or 3 Infinity Gems by the time he faced off vs Runner).

Originally posted by Galan007
a.) That is pre-res Thanos, who was weaker than post-res Thanos. The latter is who I'm discussing.

Fine. Replace Marv with Gamora. Same result. And Thanos wasn't made faster than usual and given faster reflexes.

b.) Pre-res Thanos still caught Marv and proceeded to one-shot him.

Who made a mistake of flying too slow and too low as per narration.

Until then, he wore Thanos down with sheer speed.

c.) I'm not saying Runner's showing vs. Thanos was unimpressive. I'm simply saying that if he would've straight up overpowered Thanos(like he did to Surfer), said showing would have been even more impressive... Which, again, is absolutely true.

I'm not disagreement. I'm just saying, blitzing Thanos is not a big deal. Thanos isn't a speedster.

d.) Is it possible for you not to lowball a character in every thread you participate in? Honest question, because I can't remember you doing so in recent years.

I'm not lowballing anybody here. If you think so, you must've some showings where Thanos stopped a blitz from a legit speedster.

I'd be happy to concede in that case.

Originally posted by zopzop
That Captain Marvel showing is meaningless, since when Death rezzed Thanos to carryout his IG mission, she empowered him :

You think I don't know that?

Runner took on a Thanos more powerful than the one Captain Marvel fought (who by the way was also rocking 2 or 3 Infinity Gems by the time he faced off vs Runner).

More powerful? Yes. Faster? Nope.

And he didn't use them. So it's moot anyway.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not disagreement. I'm just saying, blitzing Thanos is not a big deal. Thanos isn't a speedster.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not lowballing anybody here. If you think so, you must've some showings where Thanos stopped a blitz from a legit speedster.

I'd be happy to concede in that case.

Someone else may indulge your request, though. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
I never said otherwise, so I'm still not sure why you even posted those irrelevant Mar-Vell/Thanos scans, if not to lowball..?

To show another character dodging the blasts and blitzing Thanos?

Anything brought up would just be downplayed anyway, so what's the point? Unlike most of the faction you debate with, I don't feel the need to argue just to get a word in these days. It's boring and tiresome.

Someone else may indulge your request, though. /shrug

Alright.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Runner didn't even throw him anywhere. He let him go and surfer fell to the planet below.
Surfer merely said he fought to Runner. No mention of being superior.

And it wasn't said by Surfer that he was weakened.

1) Lol...fanboy fail...Surfer was clearly thrown; note Runner holding Surfers wrists, then the twisting of his body as he flings Surfer at the planet.

2) Your reading comprehension sucks."I summoned the Power Cosmic, but he was an Elder." Clearly Surfer was acknowledging the fact that Runner was superior to him...only in the world of a Superman fan would that not compute.

3) Thats right, Surfer NEVER claimed weakness....why is that!?? Any idea's? Maybe, just mayyyybe, because Surfer wss not weakened!

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Originally posted by abhilegend
And he didn't use them. So it's moot anyway.

BS...

You get off on lying...dont you?

If he didn't use any of the Gems, how did he stop Runner?

Just answer that question so you can simultaneously confirm of truth of the matter and your status as one who willingly lies in debates about fictional characters...

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Originally posted by zopzop
Thank you. He blitzed the everloving sh|t out of Thanos and had him there helpless till Thanos asked him to stop and hear him out.

Then how does Thanos beat him? By using the Time Gem to age him to the point of being helpless. Some win.

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The argument for Runner not actually throwing Surfer to the planet actually looks better for Runner.
The throw or impact didn't do much to Surfer. What almost killed Surfer was Runner out powering Surfer in their contest of strength.
After that Surfers, limp almost lifeless body fell or was thrown to the nearby planet.

Good job Abhi 👆

Based on Abhis contributions to the thread Runner should have no problem with these 2

To be honest, without the space gem Runner would have still been able to blitz Thanos. We don't know how much Thanos would have been affected, unless we go by the writer's intentions (Thanos would have indeed lost due to him resorting to using the time gem instead of beating him straight up). The writer's intentions are clear. So runner is indeed formidable.

This would be a good fight I think. Could go either way.

I like how everyone is acting like Runner was beating the piss out of Thanos, but all he did was tear apart a chair and get owned by a gem. lol.

Yeah, that's the elephant in the room.

Thanos sustained absolutely no injuries to his person from Runner's blitz. Aside from making a few empty boasts/threats to that effect, Runner just targeted/destroyed Thanos' chair with his blitz. Truth is, we don't know what would have actually happened had Runner physically assaulted Thanos--he may have owned him just the same, or he may not have been able to cause any lasting damage.

Of course the Runner brigade is bound to disagree, but truth is truth. /shrug

Thanos was also clearly and purposely playing helpless to get his way, which he got. As right after that, he has no problems standing up and walking on empty space as he insults his intelligence and overconfidence.

It is true, but keep in mind that his chair was also a creation of Death's IIRC. It seems like a far-fetched point but it has even also withstood Surfer's attack upon his first meeting with Thanos