Current Superman and Thor vs Runner...

Originally posted by Galan007
^ His armor was ruffled as collateral damage from being tossed around in Runner's wake, imo.

For completions sake, here's their entire battle:

From what we can tell, all of Runner's attacks targeted Thanos' chair; not Thanos himself.

But even if you think otherwise, it changes nothing. Thanos was purposefully feigning weakness the entire time--allowing Runner to think he'd won.

That last one landed though. Meh. I just realize I haven't really read Thanos Quest much.

I'm just saying it looks even worse when he's teleporting into superspeed attacks and at best he can do is damage armor (although it is durable).

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If you believe the blitz connected every time, then yeah, it makes Runner look like dog shit given that Thanos didn't even try to mount a defense, yet had absolutely NO physical injuries afterward. Heh.

Bran over here lowballing again. 👇

Originally posted by Galan007
Thanos attacked Runner once. That's it. Runner dodging said eye-beam certainly doesn't imply that every single ability in Thanos' arsenal would have been ineffective. That said, Starlin made it clear at the end: Thanos allowed Runner to think he'd won so that he'd stop and gloat/monologue long enough for Thanos to deage him with the time gem. Thanos wasn't trying to win beforehand; not really--and he certainly didn't want to risk physically harming Runner. After all, baby Runner was the bargaining chip Thanos used to acquire the reality gem from the Collector. That's why Thanos used the time gem to defeat Runner--it didn't harm him at all, yet left him perfectly helpless as an infant.

Anywho, it's subjective. You cannot prove that Runner could have overpowered Thanos anymore then I can prove he couldn't have.

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And why is it that when someone doesn't agree with you, you start reposting your previous posts and 'thumbs-uping' them? Do you think agreeing with yourself solidifies your point or something? 😕

The way I see it, Thanos only attacked once because he saw that further assault would be pointless as Runner very easily evaded his attack (while smiling about it) and punished him casually...

As pertains Starlings intent, I disagree as I believe its subject to interpretation; they way I see it, Thanos turned something he was forced to do into an advantage...which was talking to Runner.

Thanos had to give in to Runners demands or Runner would have blitzed him until he was truly grape jelly, but Runner standing still also gave Thanos the time he needed to use the Time Gem on him...

The way I see it, Thanos did an expert job (which highlights his great intellect) of turning a fight he couldnt directly win to something that was very advatageous to himself...

Props to Thanos for this...

As for me giving myself thumbs up, it is not done when someone disagrees with me, but I do do it for a variety of reasons...

I will do it when someone gives a thumb up for a point that I believe I have already refuted; I did this in this thread when Jun gave you a thumb up on your point that Thanos was more powerful than Runner because it should be obvious that Thanos with 3 Infinity Gems (that he knows how to use) is stronger than Runner with a lone Infinity Gem that he only sometimes uses subconsciously...

I will give myself a thumb up on a previous point when someone resorts to repeating him/herself depite being proven wrong; once again, I will simply thumb up a point refuting what they are repeating...

So in conclusion, I give myself thumbs up for a variety of reasons, but not simply because someone disagrees with me...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Thanos had to give in to Runners demands or Runner would have blitzed him until he was truly grape jelly

There is literally no proof that Runner's blitz could have significantly injured Thanos at all... Let alone killed/jellied him. Again: even though Thanos was feigning weakness and didn't even attempt to mount a defense of any sort, Runner's "punishment"(as you called it) caused absolutely no damage to Thanos' person. There was literally not a scratch on him.

So with Runner's empty boasts aside, there is no proof that his blitz > Thanos' durability. None.

Originally posted by Juntai
The level of wrong here. ..

No. Characters use anything in their power. For example, Flash doesn't always go balls out in story, but as its proven in his scope of power, on the forum, he can and will. It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up. This doesn't mean average. It simply the best they are under their own conditions. No powerups or weakened unless specified. This is why Supes is a top dog on the forum.

See, the forum rules defy averages. Otherwise Wally and Barry would be running around mach speed on the forum.
Unlocking Superman and Thor in this manner assures victory, either one the greater in feats and victories here. Certainly they are combined.

Beating a chair doesn't mean anything. He didn't beat Thanos. He didn't have Thanos on the ropes. It was a non-encounter for him. If anything it showed weakness in him, exactly as it was written.

Beating Collector isn't impressive to me. As far as we can gather is Elders are around herald level, give or take. Surfer tooled most of the Elders, though he did get the worse of it a few times. The couple he lost to, he also beat, save Runner who he didn't have another battle with.
Thor has also defeated most of them.
Even She Hulk has beat champion
Gladiator has beat a few.
Beta Ray Bill.
Etc.
Most of their appearances have them losing over and over.

No, you are incorrect...

Characters (as per base rules) fight in character, sans PIS, using their average unless otherwise stated in the OP...

Now within those confines, they will fight to the best of their ability...

Thats how it goes...

And with those being the parameters, Runner is clearly superior to current Superman and Thor...

As for the Elders track record, they job...they typically job relentlessly.

But that doesnt change the fact that Runner has an excellent track record; nearly killing Surfer while toying with him, crushing Collector, forcing Thanos with 3 Infinity Gems to win by trickery, and being overpowered by a full strength Galactus...

That adds up to a very high average...one that is beyond that of current Superman or Thor.

Originally posted by Galan007
You are entitled to your own opinions, but this right here is baseless. It truly is.

There is literally no proof that Runner's blitz could have significantly injured Thanos at all... Let alone killed/jellied him. Again: even though Thanos was feigning weakness and didn't even attempt to mount a defense of any sort, Runner's "punishment"(as you called it) caused absolutely no damage to Thanos' person. There was literally not a scratch on him.

So with Runner's empty boasts aside, there is no proof that his blitz>Thanos' durability. None.

We agree to disagree then...

I believe Thanos felt Runner had the ability to follow through on his threat to beat him into grape jelly, you feel otherwise...and thats the right both of us possesses.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
No, you are incorrect...

Characters (as per base rules) fight in character, sans PIS, using their average unless otherwise stated in the OP...

Now within those confines, they will fight to the best of their ability...

Thats how it goes...

And with those being the parameters, Runner is clearly superior to current Superman and Thor...

As for the Elders track record, they job...they typically job relentlessly.

But that doesnt change the fact that Runner has an excellent track record; nearly killing Surfer while toying with him, crushing Collector, forcing Thanos with 3 Infinity Gems to win by trickery, and being overpowered by a full strength Galactus...

That adds up to a very high average...one that is beyond that of current Superman or Thor.

They will fight within character, meaning Superman or whoever isn't going to kill, or some such, but it doesn't mean a Flash or Thor or Supes is going to tone it down for their enemies as they do in comics.

Originally posted by Galan007
You are entitled to your own opinions, but this right here is baseless. It truly is.

There is literally no proof that Runner's blitz could have significantly injured Thanos at all... Let alone killed/jellied him. Again: even though Thanos was feigning weakness and didn't even attempt to mount a defense of any sort, Runner's "punishment"(as you called it) caused absolutely no damage to Thanos' person. There was literally not a scratch on him.

So with Runner's empty boasts aside, there is no proof that his blitz > Thanos' durability. None.

And we knew he was feigning as he was pretending to be helpless and hold onto the chair pieces like space flotsam for his dear life, like he would drown in a sea stars without it to hold him aloft . . . then said "I think not." And simply stood up and walked across and owned him, as he could have done from the start. He was playing him the entire encounter.

Originally posted by Juntai
No. You're wrong. It is specifically the site's rules that characters use anything in their power to win. For example, Flash doesn't always go balls out in story, but as its proven in his scope of power, on the forum, he can and will. It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up. This doesn't mean average. It simply the best they are under their own conditions. No powerups or weakened unless specified.

They will fight within character, meaning Superman or whoever isn't going to kill, or some such, but it doesn't mean a Flash or Thor or Supes is going to tone it down for their enemies as they do in comics.

But you still use the characters average unless otherwise stated in the OP...

Average Supes/Thor are High Heralds, thus unless its otherwise stated in the OP, they fight at a High Herald level of power...

Otherwise all characters would only be considered using their very highest showings...and thats clearly not the way we debate here; if it was as you say, then Thor, Surfer, and Supes are all abstracts (or atleast Skyfathers) based on their very highest showings.

Originally posted by Juntai
Pretty much.

And we knew he was feigning as he was pretending to be helpless and hold onto the chair pieces like space flotsam for his dear life, like he would drown in a sea stars without it to hold him aloft . . . then said "I think not." And simply stood up and walked across and owned him, as he could have done from the start.

Yeah...after several minutes of dialog where Runner didnt attack him.

As for Thanos playing him, Thanos didnt even know where Runner was when he teleported to Runners general area; Runner had a clear and decisive advantage up until he made the mistake of halting his assault on Thanos to talk.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
But you still use the characters average unless otherwise stated in the OP...

Average Supes/Thor are High Heralds, thus unless its otherwise stated in the OP, they fight at a High Herald level of power...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Yeah...after several minutes of dialog where Runner didnt attack him.

As for Thanos playing him, Thanos didnt even know where Runner was when he teleported to Runners general area; Runner had a clear and decisive advantage up until he made the mistake of halting his assault on Thanos to talk.

Runner has no good feats in this encounter.

Thanos had the power , soul and time gems when he fought Runner. If that counts for anything.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Thanos had the power , soul and time gems when he fought Runner. If that counts for anything.

Originally posted by Juntai
His advantage was false. Thanos was playing him. Then owned him.

Runner has no good feats in this encounter.

As I said earlier:

Originally posted by Galan007
Starlin made it clear at the end: Thanos allowed Runner to think he'd won so that he'd stop and gloat/monologue long enough for Thanos to deage him with the time gem. Thanos wasn't trying to win beforehand; not really--and he certainly didn't want to risk physically harming Runner with an all-out battle or w/e. After all, baby Runner was the bargaining chip Thanos used to acquire the reality gem from the Collector. That's why Thanos used the time gem to defeat Runner--it didn't harm him at all, yet left him perfectly helpless as an infant.

Originally posted by zopzop
Do you not understand Thanos was playing him because Thanos had the trump card : the Time Gem (and Power Gem and Soul Gem). Thanos beat Runner by using the TIME GEM.

Originally posted by Juntai
Not the point. The point was that Runner didn't do anything but break a chair. He was trying to act like Runner was kicking Thanos' ass up and down the spaceways earlier in the thread, but he never even hit him.

10-5 in favor of Runner...

KMC has spoken...

Runner wins...