Originally posted by abhilegendHow many punches would it take and what scans of it killing said being do you have to submit as evidence.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.A flurry of full strength punches from Superman will kill any Herald level being.
It's not like he needs to punch Surfer a hundred times to knock him out.
I don;t see any reason why the Surfer doesn't win every match comfortably? With Superman it wouldn't be so much of a matter of draining the solar radiation from his body, but the Surfer can also affect beings on a molecular level. The proof of this happened when he brought a deer back to full health in a moment while it was seconds away from death. This ability to mess with molecular structures could literally be used to remove Superman's affinity to sunlight,
It happened once or twice, but then again the Krona buster happened one time. Wonder Woman isn't beating the Surfer but she has the best chance out of the pack of winning. The rest aren't winning. Hal is squishy, and Billy is a noob.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Even with retcon he wasn't able to manipulate speed force for four decades.This is just terrible.
But since the recton his primary power has changed, just not the way he USES that power.
Originally posted by abhilegend
All you are giving are red herrings.
No I'm providing examples to further illustrate the point.
Originally posted by abhilegend
hystericalThis is still terrible. I'm still not going to reply to it.
Don't. You ignoring it doesn't change the fact that it's true.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, you are applying double standards which you are very good at doing. Its one thing in case of surfer and other in case of any other character.
That's just outright ridiculous, I've already stated that it also applies to Flash, Dr. Strange, and Dr. Fate.
Originally posted by abhilegend
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It's true...
Originally posted by abhilegend
So is to a lot of characters.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm talking about the power he uses most in the fights.You went into a tangent. You also seem to get confused a lot. Slow down champ.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Being super? That's not a power silly sally.
A superhuman physicality is a power. By the same token, Cap's "power" isn't "enhanced strength" it's "being enhanced".
Originally posted by abhilegend
I take your concession.
Laughing at your inability to comprehend basic stuff is in no way a concession.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not ifi he is using his primary power like shooting energy blasts.That's not using versatility. You are trying to paint anything he does as using versatility as you do not have enough evidences otherwise.
Clever tactic. Too transparent though.
Yes it is. Someone who has ONLY flight and energy blast is more versatile than someone who only has flight. If the two of them fight and energy blast are how the first guy wins, he used his superior versatility to win.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, you did.Don't be a chicken now.
I'm not chicken. I just never offered to post or list MOST of his fights, that's never a requirement on this forum. If you don't know something like that it's not up to others to go through each fight issue by issue. Notice I didn't ask you to post 95% of his fights even though you made that claim?
Originally posted by abhilegend
You should see a mod to change the rule in that case. Why would I try to defend a rule I don't agree with?
The rule doesn't need to be changed, I actually don't disagree with it. But just because it lists speed as the example doesn't mean it only applies to speed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Using speed, yes. I never said anything about speedblitzes.
You don't have to say anything because we know it's covered. Ergo if Surfer uses his versatility more than Supes speedblitzes, it's automatically covered too.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course I am. You don't get to manipulate the rules and include Surfer there just because Superman is there.
I'm not manipulating the rules, they apply to more than just speed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
If only you can read any posts after that where I cleared my stance that I do not agree with the speedblitz rules and I was talking about using speed in a fight.
You don't have to agree with the rule, if it applies to Surfer(which it does if he uses versatility more than Supes speedblitzes) then according to forum rules he'll use it in a forum fight.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You should talk to a Mod about that. Preferably Bada. These are my personal opinions after all.I do not get to modify those rules.
The only modifications they need are more examples posted so people like you don't try to say the rule doesn't apply when it obviously does.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Only after punching him a few times and knocking him out.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You are so easily confused. Read my posts again and come back.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes and even though I do not agree with it, I don't have anything to do with it.
It's still the rule. If Surfer's used his versatility more, it falls under the same rule.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he doesn't. Go to a Mod and whine about it. FWIW, I don't use Superman speedblitzing against anyone normally either. He is tough enough to own surfer without using it after all.
I don't gotta whine to a mod, I'm in favor of the rule.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Maybe in your dreams. If you have to coerce judges to ignore the second guy because he is lying and you are not, you do not deserve the right to debate at all. Show your merits. Now I know how you got to be such a massive egotist.Not by saying the other guy is manipulating entire scene and is not trustworthy at all. You are a disgrace to word "debater" if you think that's what a debate is.
Only if it's not true... but in your case it is. It's your recognized MO on this forum. Even pr talks about it and he's a big Superman fan
Originally posted by abhilegend
No.
No offense, but I don't believe you. After all you've said talking about a blitz is something you RARELY do which means it happens sometimes.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Lowballing? Surfer has routinely failed to counter a blitz. Speeding on his board isn't a speed feat as the board has been established as a separate entity with its own mind.If only surfer was the one who was doing that. The board is doing all that stuff.
You mean the board that moved according to Surfer's will that he has access on the forum?
Originally posted by abhilegend
So you admit you are essentially debating a tactic Surfer has never used as his primary go to tactic without any proof at all? And nobody laughed at you?😂
BTW here is something you will find very interesting about "weakness sensing" cosmic awareness. It doesn't senses weakness.
I'm very curious indeed.
There is proof, him using OTHER forms of radiation and energy.
Stop trying to change the subject with a bio...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would he do that if he never does that in actual fights? Superman actually punches in comics if you are not aware.You are using OOC tactics for years as a crutch.
He's messed with solar energy and radiation before man...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, there has been. Remember Krosakis with Gladiator's powers?Draining is a valid tactic for him but Superman is too resistant for draining to be effective.
Red sun and kryptonite? About as plausible as Superman erasing Surfer out of reality with a counter vibration note.
And unlike Surfer he has actually done that at least twice.
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You mean Krosakis with Gladiators powers PLUS the Uni force? Why would it work against a universal force that grants energy manipulation? For that matter, he took Glad's powers, there's not proof that he took on Glad's physiology.
Originally posted by SurturPendaran is nothing without the sanctuary of CBR and its extreme bias. He gets away with everything over there because of mod protection or secretly being one himself. He would without question get his ass handed to him here.
I never said he could vape her in a single second. But yes, if he continually poured the energy on poor Wondy wouldn't need her head and shoulders shampoo anymore.Also I really suspect you wouldn't want Pendaran to show up, he'd rip you to pieces in every Surfer thread. That's like a black guy saying "where is the KKK when you need them?".
Originally posted by playa1258Finally something I can agree with. While I do think he does consistently study comics I feel his perspective is narrow minded and he doesn't have to truly de age there as he does have mod protection. I'd like to see how he handled himself outside his mother's nest.
Pendaran is nothing without the sanctuary of CBR and its extreme bias. He gets away with everything over there because of mod protection or secretly being one himself. He would without question get his ass handed to him here.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Finally something I can agree with. While I do think he does consistently study comics I feel his perspective is narrow minded and he doesn't have to truly de age there as he does have mod protection. I'd like to see how he handled himself outside his mother's nest.
I totally agree.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I feel cbr is worse or was worse. I haven't been there in a while and the only time I gave space battles a try they said it was ok to bring up the books in film only threads.
For me they are equals :
Both are a dictatorship where the bias of the moderators / posters prevail upon the opinion of the authors / writers.
Both use some "strange logic" and use some fan-calculations to "interpretate" feats even when the author themselves don't do such calculations.
Originally posted by RealityWarperYeah, that's why I haven't tried to give those sites another chance. It's bullshit and the mods enforce their opinions to really eliminate a dissenting opinion on too wide of range of topics to enjoy it there.
I totally agree.For me they are equals :
Both are a dictatorship where the bias of the moderators / posters prevail upon the opinion of the authors / writers.
Both use some "strange logic" and use some fan-calculations to "interpretate" feats even when the author themselves don't do such calculations.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yeah, that's why I haven't tried to give those sites another chance. It's bullshit and the mods enforce their opinions to really eliminate a dissenting opinion on too wide of range of topics to enjoy it there.
My mind exactly.
I think that Comicvine isn't bad at all even the moderation is too light.
They lacks moderators and you can be harassed by a bunch of trolls all the time , at least before they added the options "block" and "you can't tag if I don't follow you".
Originally posted by RealityWarperI would love a bunch of trolls to try to attack me. Maybe I should go back to Comicvine.
My mind exactly.I think that Comicvine isn't bad at all even the moderation is too light.
They lacks moderators and you can be harassed by a bunch of trolls all the time , at least before they added the options "block" and "you can't tag if I don't follow you".
Originally posted by darthgoober
But since the recton his primary power has changed, just not the way he USES that power.
No it isn't. Unless you think last four decades ate just meaningless.
And find me a single comic where his power is stated to be speed force manipulation.
No I'm providing examples to further illustrate the point.
Only in your mind then.
Don't. You ignoring it doesn't change the fact that it's true.
It isn't. You're welcome to prove it.
That's just outright ridiculous, I've already stated that it also applies to Flash, Dr. Strange, and Dr. Fate.
No, it isn't. Just because you think it is doesn't makes it ridiculous.
It's true...
Now that's ridiculous.
I know, and what I'm saying is likely true for those characters too
Nope. Not in the least.
He actually flies more in a flight than he throws energy blast. I mean he's flying for MOST of the fight. He's only throwing blasts here and there.
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So flying is his primary power? He is going to fly at Superman now?
A superhuman physicality is a power. By the same token, Cap's "power" isn't "enhanced strength" it's "being enhanced".
Cap doesn't has a single defining power. He isn't even supposed to have powers. He is the pinnacle of human evolution.
Laughing at your inability to comprehend basic stuff is in no way a concession.
In this case, it's simply a concession.
Yes it is. Someone who has ONLY flight and energy blast is more versatile than someone who only has flight. If the two of them fight and energy blast are how the first guy wins, he used his superior versatility to win.
Or the guy who has only flight isn't versatile.
If the first guy uses his blasts regularly and he uses it on the second guy, he isn't using his versatility. He is using his primary power and that's it.
I'm not chicken. I just never offered to post or list MOST of his fights, that's never a requirement on this forum. If you don't know something like that it's not up to others to go through each fight issue by issue. Notice I didn't ask you to post 95% of his fights even though you made that claim?
Well, you're looking like a chicken right now.
You did not claim that Surfer uses versatility in a large number of appearances?
Now you're lying as well? Good to know.
The rule doesn't need to be changed, I actually don't disagree with it. But just because it lists speed as the example doesn't mean it only applies to speed.
Yes, it does. Unless it was changed.
You don't have to say anything because we know it's covered. Ergo if Surfer uses his versatility more than Supes speedblitzes, it's automatically covered too.
Where was that even stated by a mod?
I'm not manipulating the rules, they apply to more than just speed.
Where is it stated?
You don't have to agree with the rule, if it applies to Surfer(which it does if he uses versatility more than Supes speedblitzes) then according to forum rules he'll use it in a forum fight.
You're just parroting now. Where is the proof? A mod ruling?
The only modifications they need are more examples posted so people like you don't try to say the rule doesn't apply when it obviously does.
Whine to a mod then. Not to me.
Very possible, as I said it's been a long time since I ready that fight.
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He said speedblitzing, you said "more than you".
I clarified my stance pretty clearly. It's not up to you to decide what I said.
It's still the rule. If Surfer's used his versatility more, it falls under the same rule.
I don't gotta whine to a mod, I'm in favor of the rule.
Again mindless parroting.
Only if it's not true... but in your case it is. It's your recognized MO on this forum. Even pr talks about it and he's a big Superman fan
And your recognized MO is whining about everything when you don't get everything your way and then running off for years saying how you're victimized.
Look at a mirror before talking.