Originally posted by Robtard
Skill is seen when we compare him fighting say Red Skull compared to WS. Compare his moves when taking out Hydra troops in WW2 to the pirates on the cargo ship.Strength, he's done greater feats of strength in his following showings. Motorcycle toss in AOU. In the CW trailer, he's seemingly holding a helicopter from taking off.
Speed. This one I'm not so sure. He did somewhat keep up with 1940's Plymouth in his first showing.
Should be noted that all three factors are something people can and do improve on. Skill with training, strength and speed with strength training and conditioning. No reason to believe Cap couldn't either.
Improvement in skill I agree with. Because skill will obviously improve with experience. But strength and speed I disagree. The SS serum should have maxed out his physical stats. And the only reason he does more impressive things in latter movies is because he's allowed to do more impressive things, not that he couldn't do them before. After all, the strength feats are already there in the first movie (holding up the motorcycle with 3 women on top - throwing a hydra soldier 20 ft. up in the air) - it's just that with latter movies he's being given more opportunities to show his strength.
For us to conclude that he actually gets stronger we need to find a feat that he does in latter movies easily that he has previously struggled with in previous movies.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Kt the resident moron is actually questioning other posters mental acumen when he's the village idiot.Ps. Fun fact. Kt hasn't had a gf for five years.
Fun Fact: Quan is ugly, short, Skypes with guys from a comic book internet site and posts pictures of supposed GF's, and yet, he's never been seen in a picture with her. In stark contrast, I posted a pic of my gf (better looking of course), with me right there in the pic and us holding one another. Quan post a pic of a random girl... and goes.. see this is my girl LMAO. Pathetic.
Watch let's have Quan post his pic and see if he'll do it. I have no issue posting one, but will Quan... Of course not, then he'd be made fun of even more than he already is.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Please, read my post. The thing is with you, is that you seem in capable of making a logical line of progression and going with who is more likely. If you ACTUALLY read my post, you'd notice that I'm a supporter in him learning a variety of MA's. I even said he likely has studied a variety of things to improve himself. THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT. My only contention is that he's not an EXPERT in the variety of fields he's studied i.e. he's not a 3rd degree black belt in any one MA's let's say. That is my claim, not that he hasn't studied or learned anything new. THAT is your claim.Your contradictions were exposed. Plain and Simple. On one hand you claim Cap hasn't improved his strength or speed through training and experience. That was your claim. Yet here, you're willing to say Cap has more skill than Ozy, when by feats, that couldn't be further from the truth. Cap, hasn't been shown training in a variety of MA's, let alone becoming a master at many. According to you, he needs to be shown training like that or it hasn't happened. Hypocrisy 101.
So which is it... has he improved himself through training and experience or hasn't he? Using your criteria, post the scenes where he's becoming a master in a variety of MA's, because if you can't post the clip, using your criteria, he's not. Now post the clips of him doing so, or stop claiming he's great a variety of MA's.
Are you talking to me about boxing... boxing LOL. Froth, you know better than this. I've forgotten more about boxing than you've ever known. I have no issue with boxing being an art, in fact it's my favorite one. However, Cap being a great boxer (not proven) doesn't make him a great MA's at a VAREITY of arts. Variety is the key. That is your claim. He'd have to be in order to be above Ozy in skill. Now prove he is by posting video clips, or stop claiming he is using your criteria. Simple
We can address the other points after you answer the questions posed here.
You're going off tangent. Let's stick to one point at a time. You didn't say Cap wasn't an expert in multiple martial arts, you said he wasn't an expert martial artist period. Here's a direct quote of what you said:
Cap is a great many things, one thing he not, is an expert martial artist. Cap is a brick. He's a boxer/Military combat kind of guy. He's not doing elaborate moves or kicks or flips while kicking. He's not turning his back and effortlessly blocking strikes while not looking from expert martial artists. To even try and say Cap is some expert marital artist is laughable. He's not. Just look at his fights and you'd see that.
So let me ask you: Did you really just say that Cap doesn't do elaborate kicks and flips? Because if you truly believe that, then you haven't watched TWS and AoU.
Originally posted by Robtard
IMO, BP's going to be portrayed as one seriously capable combatant and Caps going to need to match or possibly surpass that.
I am amped to see Black Panther onscreen. We see 4 claw marks down the front of Cap's shield during their team standoff, in the 30 second game spot trailer, likely from Black Panther's claws, so hoping they have a showdown at some point.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiSomeone else posted my fb pic in the same pic as my gf. You're such a colossal failure and hideous to boot. How can any girl fit in the pic with your long face ?
Fun Fact: Quan is ugly, short, Skypes with guys from a comic book internet site and posts pictures of supposed GF's, and yet, he's never been seen in a picture with her. In stark contrast, I posted a pic of my gf (better looking of course), with me right there in the pic and us holding one another. Quan post a pic of a random girl... and goes.. see this is my girl LMAO. Pathetic.Watch let's have Quan post his pic and see if he'll do it. I have no issue posting one, but will Quan... Of course not, then he'd be made fun of even more than he already is.
Ps. You're the worst. Go find a hooker or something.
Originally posted by FrothByte
You're going off tangent. Let's stick to one point at a time. You didn't say Cap wasn't an expert in multiple martial arts, you said he wasn't an expert martial artist period. Here's a direct quote of what you said:So let me ask you: Did you really just say that Cap doesn't do elaborate kicks and flips? Because if you truly believe that, then you haven't watched TWS and AoU.
There is no tangent, they expose your blatant hypocrisy. Address them. I already addressed your question and answered it.
I stand by that statement. He's not. By expert MA's I mean in a VARIETY of MA's. I didn't think I needed to state the obvious. He could be an expert boxer (never proven at all) but I'd consider giving that to him because of what he's displayed. An expert in h2h military combat. No issue. However, that is the variety I'm looking for, and certainly and without question, not even variety to put his skill about Ozy's. I believe he has studied other MA's, I just don't believe he's a master at any of them.
So again, expert MA"s... means what it typically means... In a laundry list of MA's... Like Daredevil, like Elektra, Pai Mei, Like the Bride.. I could go on and on. People that certified masters of a variety of MA's. Cap is not that. If you feel he is. Prove it.
Now answer my questions and stop ducking them. I answered yours.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Improvement in skill I agree with. Because skill will obviously improve with experience. But strength and speed I disagree. The SS serum should have maxed out his physical stats. And the only reason he does more impressive things in latter movies is because he's allowed to do more impressive things, not that he couldn't do them before. After all, the strength feats are already there in the first movie (holding up the motorcycle with 3 women on top - throwing a hydra soldier 20 ft. up in the air) - it's just that with latter movies he's being given more opportunities to show his strength.For us to conclude that he actually gets stronger we need to find a feat that he does in latter movies easily that he has previously struggled with in previous movies.
So let me get this straight... Cap is smart enough to study a variety of MA's to improve his skill as a fighter. Yet, hasn't studied anything about lifting and technique to improve his strength. To say nothing of, as my example proves, you can struggle to lift an awkward table the first time... go back and lift it easier through your experience. You didn't have to study a table lifting book to do so, experience taught you. Yet somehow, Cap never focuses on improving his strength and speed only his h2h combat. Jesus
Originally posted by FrothByte
Improvement in skill I agree with. Because skill will obviously improve with experience. But strength and speed I disagree. The SS serum should have maxed out his physical stats. And the only reason he does more impressive things in latter movies is because he's allowed to do more impressive things, not that he couldn't do them before. After all, the strength feats are already there in the first movie (holding up the motorcycle with 3 women on top - throwing a hydra soldier 20 ft. up in the air) - it's just that with latter movies he's being given more opportunities to show his strength.For us to conclude that he actually gets stronger we need to find a feat that he does in latter movies easily that he has previously struggled with in previous movies.
We can argue all day that he could have been able or not and granted, it's very possible he could have. But we really go off of shown feats and shown feats shows us Cap improving with each showing.
I also feel that he could improve in strength and speed like another human can, with the proper training aimed at his level of capabilities. Be it benching a ton for strength training to running for 24hrs straight for conditioning or the like.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So he can just box. That's all Cap is to Kt proving he hasn't seen the films.
Don't mind quan, a third grader can read and comprehend better than him. I already said he's an expert in Military combat. Said that in the very post you addressed. Yet somehow, I said only boxing. Hence, a third grader is smarter than Quan
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiYou back pedaled. You do it all the time. You claimed Albus could easily destroy Voldemort when we had the producer saying exactly the opposite. You're an idiot who can't get laid.
Don't mind quan, a third grader can read and comprehend better than him. I already said he's an expert in Military combat. Said that in the very post you addressed. Yet somehow, I said only boxing. Hence, a third grader is smarter than Quan
Originally posted by quanchi112
Someone else posted my fb pic in the same pic as my gf. You're such a colossal failure and hideous to boot. How can any girl fit in the pic with your long face ?Ps. You're the worst. Go find a hooker or something.
Right, you weren't WITH HER IN THE PIC moron. That's the point. In mine, she's right there with me hand in hand. Yours, totally separate pictures. The girl was a random girl from a picture you grabbed from the internet. Not your girl. Stop lying.
Now, are you going to post a pic of you or not? Scared?
Originally posted by Robtard
We can argue all day that he could have been able or not and granted, it's very possible he could have. But we really go off of shown feats and shown feats shows us Cap improving with each showing.I also feel that he could improve in strength and speed like another human can, with the proper training aimed at his level of capabilities. Be it benching a ton for strength training to running for 24hrs straight for conditioning or the like.
Improving implies that one was able to do something that he wasn't able to do before. Which is why we can see him improving fightskill-wise because we have a comparison to go by.
But being able to throw a motorcycle at a jeep can't be seen as an improvement in strength simply because we have nothing to compare it to that he struggled with previously.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI was right next to her in my profile pic. I didn't give it up it was found on my fb page, dummy.
Right, you weren't WITH HER IN THE PIC moron. That's the point. In mine, she's right there with me hand in hand. Yours, totally separate pictures. The girl was a random girl from a picture you grabbed from the internet. Not your girl. Stop lying.Now, are you going to post a pic of you or not? Scared?
How you don't know any of this and insert your lies is how idiotic you are. Horse face is so upset. 😂
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Right, you weren't WITH HER IN THE PIC moron. That's the point. In mine, she's right there with me hand in hand. Yours, totally separate pictures. The girl was a random girl from a picture you grabbed from the internet. Not your girl. Stop lying.Now, are you going to post a pic of you or not? Scared?
Why do you bother? Just tune him out as you would an irrational screaming child in a public place.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
There is no tangent, they expose your blatant hypocrisy. Address them. I already addressed your question and answered it.I stand by that statement. He's not. By expert MA's I mean in a VARIETY of MA's. I didn't think I needed to state the obvious. He could be an expert boxer (never proven at all) but I'd consider giving that to him because of what he's displayed. An expert in h2h military combat. No issue. However, that is the variety I'm looking for, and certainly and without question, not even variety to put his skill about Ozy's. I believe he has studied other MA's, I just don't believe he's a master at any of them.
So again, expert MA"s... means what it typically means... In a laundry list of MA's... Like Daredevil, like Elektra, Pai Mei, Like the Bride.. I could go on and on. People that certified masters of a variety of MA's. Cap is not that. If you feel he is. Prove it.
Now answer my questions and stop ducking them. I answered yours.
LOL. Do you know what martial arts mean? Not your typical mcdojo definition but what it truly means?
Martial arts mean Arts of Mars. Mars being the god of war. So martial arts basically means Arts of War. Or Arts of Fighting. Military men WERE the original martial artists. Heck they were THE definition of martial artists.
Cap's ability to take out his opponents with utmost efficiency through h2h and melee techniques is what makes him an expert martial artist. Unless you think you need multiple blackbelts in different disciplines to be called an expert martial artist.
I also love how you keep dodging the fact that you claimed Cap doesn't do fancy kicks...
Heck, you called Cap a brick. A BRICK. Seriously?