Ozymandias vs. Winter Soldier (h2h)

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Please, if you can't comprehend how fast Ozy's reaction and speed is, and by proxy, can't comprehend how this might impact the fight.. then you're dumber than I thought. If you're fast enough to catch a bullet effortlessly. If you're shown dodging fire in a confined hallway, and still effortlessly moving around the hallway avoiding fire and then disarm the guy. If you're fast enough to cover so much ground that you can literally jump 25 feet effortlessly to stomp on a weapon. Or effortlessly being 15 to 20 feet away from a guy like comedian, yet still effortlessly almost appear out of nowhere and grab his gun before he can fire it. if he's fast enough to never get hit against 2 legit peak human skill level foes, and not get hit, and disable their weapons with utter ease.

Then imagine you're the smartest guy on the planet. The smartest guy as stated by Dr. M. Imagine the tactics and strats he can come up with in an instant. He's a hyper genius.

Then imagine a mere human, a trained skilled one, but not a peak human. Now imagine what Ozy would look like to them. He'd effortlessly avoid anything do before they even know what to do or thought to do. That is Ozy. If you can't figure out how fast you are if you can catch a bullet the way he did, and then figure out fast that would translate to him kicking the shit out trained humans... well... that's sad

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Your ineptitude offends me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you're just explaining what would happen but you haven't given any evidence as to back your baseless claims. It's exactly in the same vein as h1 when he says combo to ko. Quit throwing random words around like they mean something. Prove it.

So you're dumb and slow? I'm being serious here. I never thought it was that bad. You don't even know what proof is. I listed HIS FEATS. That IS the proof, and what you use to prove your argument. Holy shit, you're bad at this. I mean really?? LOL. If I show how fast Ozy is, how smart he is, THAT IS THE PROOF he'd handle the situation better. There is no other way to prove it. He was never in an elevator with trained humans with tassers. Okay?? Thus all I need to prove is that Ozy is fast enough and smart enough to win that situation and do better than Cap. I've unquestionably proven that. I never said he was impervious to pain or hits or anything for that matter. Difference is, he's not going to get hit, he's that fast. To a human, even a trained one, somebody that is fast enough to catch a bullet point blank... to jump 20 feet effortlessly... Imagine what he'd look like to them... Seriously, he'd been close to a blur to them.. they wouldn't even know what the **** happened. If you can't figure out that he'd do better because of his speed, skill and agility.. well.. not my fault

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your trolling is an affront to my kmc. Cease and desist or face the consequences.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you're dumb and slow? I'm being serious here. I never thought it was that bad. You don't even know what proof is. I listed HIS FEATS. That IS the proof, and what you use to prove your argument. Holy shit, you're bad at this. I mean really?? LOL. If I show how fast Ozy is, how smart he is, THAT IS THE PROOF he'd handle the situation better. There is no other way to prove it. He was never in an elevator with trained humans with tassers. Okay?? Thus all I need to prove is that Ozy is fast enough and smart enough to win that situation and do better than Cap. I've unquestionably proven that. I never said he was impervious to pain or hits or anything for that matter. Difference is, he's not going to get hit, he's that fast. To a human, even a trained one, somebody that is fast enough to catch a bullet point blank... to jump 20 feet effortlessly... Imagine what he'd look like to them... Seriously, he'd been close to a blur to them.. they wouldn't even know what the **** happened. If you can't figure out that he'd do better because of his speed, skill and agility.. well.. not my fault

We are going to build a wall and mexico is going to pay for it.

lol

Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying someone is smart and fast isn't supporting your argument. He lived in a weak universe and did most of his things in the dark without any of the competition Cap routinely faces. Manhattan is a pacifist to boot. Cap has better showings, strength feats, and stiffer competition than Ozy. Bucky matched up well with Cap. Cap has seen Quicksilver who is much faster than Ozy.

That is the exact situation. weak universe lol. Okay bud lol. The reality here is, Ozy has simply done better against similar foes. Plain and simple. In that same situation, being smarter than cap, faster than Cap, more skilled... Guess what, he destroys them, and easily . Do you comprehend how fast he is?? I'm serious, do you? Imagine that speed against mere trained humans. They wouldn't even know wtf happened.

Ozy is a cut Above and I'm a marvel guy

Actually, he is about 3 cuts below Cap.

No

Originally posted by Raisen
Ozy is a cut Above and I'm a marvel guy

They're actually within the same level as per feats.

Originally posted by Raisen
No

Yes, Cap just has better strength, durability and fighting speed feats.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That is the exact situation. weak universe lol. Okay bud lol. The reality here is, Ozy has simply done better against similar foes. Plain and simple. In that same situation, being smarter than cap, faster than Cap, more skilled... Guess what, he destroys them, and easily . Do you comprehend how fast he is?? I'm serious, do you? Imagine that speed against mere trained humans. They wouldn't even know wtf happened.

Originally posted by Raisen
Ozy is a cut Above and I'm a marvel guy

Originally posted by tkitna
At this point though, who cares. Everybodys stance is set in stone and nobodys going to change their mind.

Yeah, this thread has gone on for 15 pages and almost 300 posts, and neither side has come even close to convincing the other, or finding some kind of middle ground/compromise. So it's a safe bet that continuing to drag it out is unlikely to lead anywhere productive.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, this thread has gone on for 15 pages and almost 300 posts, and neither side has come even close to convincing the other, or finding some kind of middle ground/compromise. So it's a safe bet that continuing to drag it out is unlikely to lead anywhere productive.

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Should have done this thread with a poll. At least we would have ended up with some kind of result.

I do know the Bucky side outnumbers the Ozy side.

Give Ozzy the edge over WS, but I think Cap is above them both tbh.

Cap is a brick. He's a boxer/Military combat kind of guy. He's not doing elaborate moves or kicks or flips while kicking.

1:38 in this vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSRPg6-5WJQ

1:50, 1:56, 2:17, 2:20, 2:24, 2:45

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3:08, 3:10, 3:12

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So there are 10 examples of things Cap apparently doesn't do in combat. And that is without getting into the elevator or final fight. And that is just from TWS.