Ozymandias vs. Winter Soldier (h2h)

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Incorrect. He has to show it. He's shown glimpses of some things. I given him credit for that. It's nothing special. You have to prove you're skilled enough to not rely on your power. You can't just be skilled, still use your power most often, and then you turn around and go... yeah, see, he could use his skill all the time to beat people he just chooses to use his power. Nah, doesn't work that way.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Fine. Go ahead and open your BZ. Legolas vs. Captain America - who has better acrobatics. Not agility, not nimbleness, not finesse. Acrobatics.

Kt is an idiot. He also doesn't get laid which explains his mood swings.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I told you EXACTLY what we would be discussing. Who's showcased better skill in melee combat. Simple. By showcasing skill I'm referring to impressive, wow skill. Which obviously include acrobatics, but not restricted to that. Stop trying to move the goalposts. I already said what the thread will be. You claimed Cap has displayed more skill, and impressive wow skill than Legolas. I completely disagree. The discussion started with me claiming characters like Legolas, Elektra, Daredevil, not only showcase their skill, but rely on their skill. Cap doesn't rely on his skill as much as the named above. You disagreed with my statement. Thus I challenged you. Simple. You can use whatever acrobatics you want, as long as they involve combat situation and putting your enemy down because of them. For example, Legolas sliding down the stairs, while shooting his arrows and one shot killing multiple people. He was flying anywhere in the air... but it would be extremely difficult to pull the sliding move.. let alone keep your balance enough to aim an arrow, but now only aim, one shot people, multlple people. A show of speed, skill, agility and balance.. but he wasn't flying in the air. He he has showings in the air as well, but this is an example of skill. You claimed Cap was more skilled and pulled of flashy moves more than Legolas. I disagree. So we're here. So are we clear now?

It's ironic how you accuse me of moving goalposts when you keep changing what you're saying. This was your original post regarding Legolas:

He's mainly a punch a kick guys really hard. Not a acrobat who's pulling off elaborate kicks and clips all the time while fighting. He's no Elektra or Daredevil or Legolas etc etc. He's not that type of fighter. Which is a 100% true and what I was illustrating.

Notice how you only mentioned acrobatic skill. Now you want to BZ combat skill? Not once did I contest Legolas's combat/melee skill. I certainly could, but that's not what we were discussing.

So let me make this clear for you. Are you saying Legolas is more acrobatic than Cap? Because if that's not what your're saying then we have no need to BZ.

Does anyone have a list of all the things KT has basically conceded by continually changing his argument and refusing to post clips?

The way he is arguing, we should consider some guy who has trained in Capoeira for a few years, and learned to do a few fancy flips and kicks, a more skilled martial artist than a world Muay Thai champion, who would mostly resort to punches, kicks, knees, elbows and grappling i.e. less flashy techniques, in a fight.

Because apparently the flashier your moves are, the more "badass" you are.

And on a random note, as someone who has actually practiced Muay Thai for several years, I know that flying knee, as Cap executed it, is an extremely difficult move to pull off properly (especially as well as Cap executed it), which is a reason most professional fighters would not even attempt it in a fight. Too risky that it doesn't execute properly.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Does anyone have a list of all the things KT has basically conceded by continually changing his argument and refusing to post clips?

I don't know what the fuss is about, I've blocked this KT character after I read one post from him.

Even Quanchi is not on my ignore list because he has amusement value.

As Thanos would say: The only matter I do not take seriously, boy, is you. Your politics bore me. Your demeanor is that of a pouty child

Well, I don't think he honestly believes flashier technique does necessarily equal more skill, but that is just how it's sounding at the moment.

Thing is, as I pointed out, constantly doing a bunch of flashy and elaborate techniques would be wasteful and unnecessary for Cap 95% of the time, especially in life or death situations. But we have seen him do those things when they are required, on numerous occasions, indicating he does possess the skill to. He simply does not need to, when he can drop the average enemy with one punch.

This thread's escalation and degeneration has been like watching in horrified fascination through a small window as an inmate in a padded cell wildly and gleefully beats himself to death with the chamber pot he found underneath his bed.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
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And on a random note, as someone who has actually practiced Muay Thai for several years, I know that flying knee, as Cap executed it, is an extremely difficult move to pull off properly (especially as well as Cap executed it), which is a reason most professional fighters would not even attempt it in a fight. Too risky that it doesn't execute properly.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
And Elektra wins, because I'd rather watch her do the splits than the other three. 😛

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
J. Garner fan?

Well, certainly a lot more so than the other 3, at least when it comes to looks. 😆

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, certainly a lot more so than the other 3, at least when it comes to looks. 😆

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Well its just that I never found her that attractive 😎

If given the choice of watching Garner do interesting things with her body, or watch someone like Evans, I would choose Garner every time. 😛 But there are obviously more attractive actresses out there. Like if we added Widow into this scenario I would shamelessly hop to her camp. 😆

Kt's humiliation and idiocy in is thread has reached epic proportions. All Kt ever does is use giant paragraphs restating his position without any proof.

Ps. Maybe if he could get laid he'd make a legitimate point.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
This thread's escalation and degeneration has been like watching in horrified fascination through a small window as an inmate in a padded cell wildly and gleefully beats himself to death with the chamber pot he found underneath his bed.

Well, that's a very vivid description. 😆

Anyway, there really isn't that much point continuing this thread. The things being discussed, such as the acrobatics etc. should really have their own threads, as Cap, Legolas etc. aren't even in the OP here, so this discussion has veered wildly off topic.

It went off topic because KT knows that WS wins.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, that's a very vivid description. 😆

Anyway, there really isn't that much point continuing this thread. The things being discussed, such as the acrobatics etc. should really have their own threads, as Cap, Legolas etc. aren't even in the OP here, so this discussion has veered wildly off topic.

Originally posted by FrothByte
It's ironic how you accuse me of moving goalposts when you keep changing what you're saying. This was your original post regarding Legolas:

Notice how you only mentioned acrobatic skill. Now you want to BZ combat skill? Not once did I contest Legolas's combat/melee skill. I certainly could, but that's not what we were discussing.

So let me make this clear for you. Are you saying Legolas is more acrobatic than Cap? Because if that's not what your're saying then we have no need to BZ.

See this is the thing, and why it's so irritating talking to you sometimes. It's like I have to hold your hand through basic concepts of movies and combat sports. It's like you've never watch either in your life.

Did you miss the ELABORATE Part said right after that. Do I need to define that for you? If I say he doesn't use his skill as much as the others named, and as an example I say he's not do acrobatic elaborate kicks most of the time. What the F do you think that means. That sounds like the definition of Daredevil and the message I was trying to convey. ELABROATE was the key word there. That is Cap, period end of story. It's easy to visualize when I say he's not some acrobat doing elaborate kicks in the air. He's not, You disagreed and thus the argument started. I made the claim that Legolas, Daredevil, Elektra, all rely on their skill more than Cap. THAT was the discussion. You disagreed. I challenged you to a BZ against Legolas. Then you turn around and go... Oh so you want to do a BZ about who's the better acrobat... even though I SPECIFICALLY USED WORDS RIGHT AFTER THAT LIKE KICK.. LIKE ELABORATE... and somehow you still think I'm saying who's the better gymnast LMAO

You didn't answer my question again...

Who would more people say is more skilled between

A. Hero, crouching tiger, DareDevil, Legolas type of moves were shown to a viewing audience

then

B. We're shown some of Cap's fighting scenes and the moves he's pulled off.

Do you honestly think anybody in the viewing audience wouldn't think the people I named were more skilled fighters. It's like you've never watched a Kung Fu movie in your life. Shit maybe even any action movie. A director has a character do all these flashy moves because he know that is the best way to showcase skill. You don't showcase skill by mostly punching people and kicking them. You are more able to show it with WOW FACTOR type moves. Do you disagree?