Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yall are just trolling KT now, its not right. I dont even like Lego...but he has more acro then Cap.
I'm tempted to argue this, but I promised myself I'd help derail this thread no more. You can create another thread for this if you want and I can argue about it there.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
That's up to every single viewer's own interpretation. As someone with martial arts experience, I personally don't need to see someone constantly doing flashy moves to in order to gauge their skill. In fact, if Cap suddenly started doing all kinds of elaborate crap in Civil War, when I know he doesn't need to, I'd personally consider it reckless showboating. Sure, for some people watching constant flashy/elaborate moves is how they judge skill. But to assume that everyone judges films that way is over-generalizing. That's the beauty of film. Not every single person is going to view things 100% the same way. Just look at all the disagreements in this thread alone. Or are you actually going to tell me that every single person views every film and feat in the exact same way?And where did I say that you said it takes no skill. I said that I can tell he is skilled because he pulled off a move that requires skill to execute. Pure and simple. Why are you determined to read accusations in my posts when I am simply making statements? I am not accusing you of anything here. I am simply giving my take on the subject.
And I personally do not believe that any skilled human could replicate things like Cap's quinjet feat.
A fair post VD, and you usually do. I just didn't like that you tried to say my argument was that a capoeira guy has more skill than a M.T. guy. That wasn't even close to my argument, and I know you are smart enough to understand that was my point nor the discussion, yet you still said that. So that is why I made a post that, might have come across in the wrong tone.
Anyways, as I said a fair post. Let me ask you the basic question that started the discussion.... who routinely exhibits more skill in their fighting situations... Legolas or Cap?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Legolas was more acrobatic, he was balancing on thin surfaces while sword fighting more powerful foes then himself, jumping on dwarfs heads while in barrels in a raging river accurately shooting orcs, riding elephant trunks while shooting arrows and tons more, Yes Lego is more acrobatic. He is basically a circus warrior freak in acrobatics.
Couldn't agree more mane. I thought it seemed rather obvious Legolas pulled off more crazy wow moves than Cap. Seemed very apparent to me... but clearly not others.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
A fair post VD, and you usually do. I just didn't like that you tried to say my argument was that a capoeira guy has more skill than a M.T. guy. That wasn't even close to my argument, and I know you are smart enough to understand that was my point nor the discussion, yet you still said that. So that is why I made a post that, might have come across in the wrong tone.Anyways, as I said a fair post. Let me ask you the basic question that started the discussion.... who routinely exhibits more skill in their fighting situations... Legolas or Cap?
Well, that is also why I specifically posted later on that I don't think you honestly believe that, in response to another poster. Just that the argument was coming across that way.
And honestly, I kind of blanked out most of the Hobbit films, because they kinda sucked for the most part. They were no LotR trilogy. So I would not be able to give a 100% objective answer. I do remember Legolas doing some pretty crazy shit when he was shooting arrows while hopping between moving barrels etc. during the one film.
Edit: And on a random note, not sure where the f*** this feat fits in, but if I remember correctly, Legolas can walk on snow that's a couple feet thick. During the one scene from Fellowship they are on the mountain side, where everyone is struggling through the snow, and Legolas is walking on top of it IIRC.
Depends on how you define acrobatic ability. From KT's posts, he seemed to define acrobatic ability as doing flips, sommersaults and fancy spinning kicks. With that definition, I'd say Cap has more acrobatic feats.
If we consider pure agility, nimbleness feats then yeah, Legolas has more.
Crap... there I go again derailing this thread.
Alright, well I have to change my position a little. They might be dead even.
I forgot about this.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
What was your claim?
His claim that started this was when he said this about Cap.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He's not doing elaborate moves or kicks or flips while kicking.
Clips were then posted proving that Cap has done so. He is just using this Legolas tangent to distract people from realizing he was wrong about Cap's shown skills.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Here was another claim:
Would you like to a comparison since you think my claim was wrong. We'll go through all his movies and list each time he's taken out dudes via punching and kicking or he's taken them out using elaborate flashy skilled moves. Simple. You just quoted me saying Cap does so more this way than that... I see you're claiming that is wrong. Thus you're saying Cap takes guys out more using flashy moves... I disagree entirely, and we can certainly count them. Is that your claim?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Would you like to a comparison since you think my claim was wrong. We'll go through all his movies and list each time he's taken out dudes via punching and kicking or he's taken them out using elaborate flashy skilled moves. Simple. You just quoted me saying Cap does so more this way than that... I see you're claiming that is wrong. Thus you're saying Cap takes guys out more using flashy moves... I disagree entirely, and we can certainly count them. Is that your claim?
Are you willing to go through Elektra's, Daredevil's and Legolas' movies to count how many times they did fancy acrobatic moves vs. how many times they dispatched an opponent with a simple hit?
Because unless you can prove that the above 3 had a far higher percentage of dispatching foes with fancy moves then your argument is wrong.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Are you willing to go through Elektra's, Daredevil's and Legolas' movies to count how many times they did fancy acrobatic moves vs. how many times they dispatched an opponent with a simple hit?Because unless you can prove that the above 3 had a far higher percentage of dispatching foes with fancy moves then your argument is wrong.
Of course it would be an exhausting effort. Probably neither one of us is willing to do. I might, but even then, it's still subjective in determining what I call a flashy and what you call one. Thus, you'd never really agree with any percentage. What I will say, and very convinced by, is exactly what I've been saying. You'd see, just by simple viewing of their fight scenes. Seems pretty clear. Probably not decisive, but clear that Elektra, Daredevil and Legolas pull of fancy moves to beat people than Cap. True, as VD pointed out, he doesn't have to pull these, but regardless in this comparison he does. Point being, I think it would be clear the people named above, rely on their sill to defeat foes more than strength. Thus imo by default, they appear more skilled. Call is flipping in the air killing people.. call it jumping on peoples head killing people... whether its flipping over a foe and killing them mid air.. You know the HOLY SHIT no human can do that moves. I don't know the percentage, but imo, I think it is pretty clear and would be clear to most viewing the clips. It's just so. Doesn't mean Cap has no skill, but that he doesn't as much and he relies on strength more than those named.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I would say they are close to being dead even, Cap feats look legit, but so does Legos, that said Cap still wins in fight.
I agree, Cap is bad ass, he just doesn't pull off as many WOW moves in killing or defeating people that Cap does. I don't know why you're guys (Not you IT per se0, but other who can't seem to accept Cap just isn't the most skilled guy. He isn't. It seems hard for people to accept that Cap, like in Comics is skilled, and a beast, but that is mostly thanks to his strength, stamina and durability. Take his fight with Batman in crossovers. Batman out skills him, he just does, Cap still holds his own. But the difference is Cap's durability and strength, not his skill. Batman outskills him. Just like Iron Fist does yada yada yada. Take this thread.. imo it seems obvious Ozy is more skilled. He just is. It seems plain as day to me. Certainly more than WS. The problem is, Cap's, again, strength and durability that gives me pause about a fight with Ozy. Yet, people here just can't accept that.
A fight between the two would imo literally look like Ozy laughing at Cap and making him look foolish for vast portions of the fight. He's just simply more skilled. Problem is, is it enough to put down Cap before taking too much punishment himself. Tough call. Point is, neither Cap nor WS are more skilled than people I've named... Legolas, Daredevil etc etc etc Seems pretty clear, close but clear. Yet other go nope, Cap is more skilled LOL :😖hrug:
Maybe im missing something but what fancy moves , acrobatics, agility etc did Ozy perform in the film that makes him more skilled than the likes of Cap, WS, Black Widow ?
Again im asking for feats in the movie. Im not asking how easily he dispatched people. Im asking for his fighting movements, his technique, etc.
I remember him doing usual martial arts moves vs Nite Owl and crew , but nothing that other action stars haven't done (some better).
And his fighting speed wasn't as fast either to Cap and Bucky's fight.
Originally posted by Inhuman
Maybe im missing something but what fancy moves , acrobatics, agility etc did Ozy perform in the film that makes him more skilled than the likes of Cap, WS, Black Widow ?Again im asking for feats in the movie. Im not asking how easily he dispatched people. Im asking for his fighting movements, his technique, etc.
I remember him doing usual martial arts moves vs Nite Owl and crew , but nothing that other action stars haven't done (some better).
And his fighting speed wasn't as fast either to Cap and Bucky's fight.
Kt wants Qzy to win, that's the only feat kt needs.
I think this is kind of what I'm talking about here. I don't really see Cap doing stuff like the below, at THAT skill level. He does do crazy stuff. The video post by TI for example. But even then, he wasn't killing multiple people while doing so. He just doesn't. Even in the famous huge mammoth scene, he's already killed 30 something by that point. These aren't even all the feats really, just some of his better ones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io1L8IjuQ6w
Funny video above but it illustrates the main point. Even though the kill count is off lol. The key is the skill he exhibits. When I think of skill, it's a combo of not just flashy moves, but the precision and ease in which you do them. That is how I define skill, and to me the videos illustrate that Legolas is simply more skilled and pulls of wow maneuvers while killing putting people down more.