Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
And again, something you can't seem to wrap your head around. It's much more impressive and skillful to defeat skilled foes 2 v 1.. casually and while laughing and talking.. than it is to have blows landed on you with your shield against somebody not as formidable as them together. Just like it's more impressive to casually defeat who Ozy did, than go life and death with WS. Ozy simply demonstrated greater skill. It's that simple
So it's more impressive for me to beat two 12 yr old kids with black belts (Night Owl and Roscharch) than it is for me to defeat an adult professional MT fighter (WS) ... Gotcha.
Originally posted by FrothByte
So it's more impressive for me to beat two 12 yr old kids with black belts (Night Owl and Roscharch) than it is for me to defeat an adult professional MT fighter (WS) ... Gotcha.
Terrible analogy... Why?
Well, because Cap had blows landed on him by Batroc... somebody BELOW RO and N.O. combined h2h. Cap already had blows landed on him, while having his shield. Against more formidable foes, Ozy didn't even have a blow landed on him.
You also see to forget the comedian, somebody who poops on Batroc or WS if we even begin to use his comic shows. However, just using movies I'd place him above Batroc but below WS. Again, Ozy had nothing landed on him. So the proper analogy would be:
Is it better to beat two world class fighters 2 v 1 and not have a blow landed on you. Or have blows landed on you, while having a defensive shield against one world class fighter? THAT is the proper analogy.
You still haven't answered... which looks better and what do directors usually do when they want to show great skill. Not just good skill but OMG skill. That is almost always generally shown by a good guy or bad guy BARELY even trying and not getting hit. This is the number one best way to show skill and for the audience to be like DAMN that mfer is skilled. It's tried and tested and based on reality. It simply demonstrates more skill to casually beat very good people, while talking and joking around and not have a blow landed on you. That is simply a better demonstration of skill.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Terrible analogy... Why?Well, because Cap had blows landed on him by Batroc... somebody BELOW RO and N.O. combined h2h. Cap already had blows landed on him, while having his shield. Against more formidable foes, Ozy didn't even have a blow landed on him.
You also see to forget the comedian, somebody who poops on Batroc or WS if we even begin to use his comic shows. However, just using movies I'd place him above Batroc but below WS. Again, Ozy had nothing landed on him. So the proper analogy would be:
Is it better to beat two world class fighters 2 v 1 and not have a blow landed on you. Or have blows landed on you, while having a defensive shield against one world class fighter? THAT is the proper analogy.
You still haven't answered... which looks better and what do directors usually do when they want to show great skill. Not just good skill but OMG skill. That is almost always generally shown by a good guy or bad guy BARELY even trying and not getting hit. This is the number one best way to show skill and for the audience to be like DAMN that mfer is skilled. It's tried and tested and based on reality. It simply demonstrates more skill to casually beat very good people, while talking and joking around and not have a blow landed on you. That is simply a better demonstration of skill.
Funny how you keep trying to disregard Cap beating either WS and Red Skull. You keep referring to Batroc like it's your only lifeline.
Fine, let's talk about Batroc. How do you know Comedian is better than him? How do you know that Night Owl and Roscharch are on his level or better? The ONLY feats that Night Owl and Roscharch have are beating fodder. SHIELD agents routinely beat up fodder, some even more impressive than Night Owl and Roscharch. Cap easily took out a whole elevator of SHIELD agents. If Batroc was good enough to keep up with Cap for even a short period of time, that makes him better (by value of feats) than any fighter here who's only feat is beating up fodder.
In which case it's safe to say Batroc > Night Owl/Roscharch/Comedian.
So why did Batroc land a hit on Cap? Because Batroc is a better fighter than Night Owl and Roscharch combined that's why. And if you want to counter that, then please show me proof FROM THE MOVIE and stop referring to your comic books.
As far as your last paragraph, you're right, we should just judge skill based on how WOWed we are with the fight scene. In which case Cap fights a lot faster than Ozy. WS fights a lot faster than Ozy. Meaning they're both a lot faster than Ozy. That's wow factor for you.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Funny how you keep trying to disregard Cap beating either WS and Red Skull. You keep referring to Batroc like it's your only lifeline.Fine, let's talk about Batroc. How do you know Comedian is better than him? How do you know that Night Owl and Roscharch are on his level or better? The ONLY feats that Night Owl and Roscharch have are beating fodder. SHIELD agents routinely beat up fodder, some even more impressive than Night Owl and Roscharch. Cap easily took out a whole elevator of SHIELD agents. If Batroc was good enough to keep up with Cap for even a short period of time, that makes him better (by value of feats) than any fighter here who's only feat is beating up fodder.
In which case it's safe to say Batroc > Night Owl/Roscharch/Comedian.
So why did Batroc land a hit on Cap? Because Batroc is a better fighter than Night Owl and Roscharch combined that's why. And if you want to counter that, then please show me proof FROM THE MOVIE and stop referring to your comic books.
As far as your last paragraph, you're right, we should just judge skill based on how WOWed we are with the fight scene. In which case Cap fights a lot faster than Ozy. WS fights a lot faster than Ozy. Meaning they're both a lot faster than Ozy. That's wow factor for you.
This is simply a FLAT OUT LIE with NO SUPPPORT what so ever. We don't even see Batroc beating ANYBODY, let alone fodder the way RO and N.O. did. Please post the clip of him dominating "fodder" as you call them that easily. So no, you have nothing to support such a notion. Further, even if you DID, which you don't, we'd still be left with N.O. and RO are 2 people and Batroc only one. Any stilly notion that Batroc alone is more formidable than RO and N.O combined h2h is simply laughable. I will take no suggestion even seriously. To say nothing of the fact that you already CONCEDED pages back that Batroc likely wasn't as formidable as them combined. You even said Ozy did better against Peak human people. I can quote you if you'd like. So no, my analogy is spot on, yours is not.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is simply a FLAT OUT LIE with NO SUPPPORT what so ever. We don't even see Batroc beating ANYBODY, let alone fodder the way RO and N.O. did. Please post the clip of him dominating "fodder" as you call them that easily. So no, you have nothing to support such a notion. Further, even if you DID, which you don't, we'd still be left with N.O. and RO are 2 people and Batroc only one. Any stilly notion that Batroc alone is more formidable than RO and N.O combined h2h is simply laughable. I will take no suggestion even seriously. To say nothing of the fact that you already CONCEDED pages back that Batroc likely wasn't as formidable as them combined. You even said Ozy did better against Peak human people. I can quote you if you'd like. So no, my analogy is spot on, yours is not.
No support whatever... just like your statements. You claim Comedian is better than Batroc. What support do you have for that? You claim NO and Rosch are better combined than Batroc, what support do you have for that?
Originally posted by FrothByteExactly. He believes his opinion and baseless assertions are proof. That's why he's a ahitty debater as he can't even refute a single point.
No support whatever... just like your statements. You claim Comedian is better than Batroc. What support do you have for that? You claim NO and Rosch are better combined than Batroc, what support do you have for that?
Originally posted by FrothByte
No support whatever... just like your statements. You claim Comedian is better than Batroc. What support do you have for that? You claim NO and Rosch are better combined than Batroc, what support do you have for that?
Full Clownshoes mode now eh Froth? This barely deserves a response. All I will say is, I asked you to proved support for your claims. I'm specifically looking for clips showing Batroc dominating "fodder" as you call them. That is the first part, don't ask me a question, when I just previously asked you to post damn clips showing what you claim. That is the first thing
The second question is... would you like me to quote you direcgtly saying Ozy has done better against peak human level skill guys? Or you saying N.O. and RO are likely above Batroc in skill formidability?
So specifically tell me your new stance... are you now claiming Batroc is above them in skill as one, compared to them as 2? Is that your claim?
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiStill no evidence. You're a sad little horsey aren't you ?
Full Clownshoes mode now eh Froth? This barely deserves a response. All I will say is, I asked you to proved support for your claims. I'm specifically looking for clips showing Batroc dominating "fodder" as you call them. That is the first part, don't ask me a question, when I just previously asked you to post damn clips showing what you claim. That is the first thingThe second question is... would you like me to quote you direcgtly saying Ozy has done better against peak human level skill guys? Or you saying N.O. and RO are likely above Batroc in skill formidability?
So specifically tell me your new stance... are you now claiming Batroc is above them in skill as one, compared to them as 2? Is that your claim?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Full Clownshoes mode now eh Froth? This barely deserves a response. All I will say is, I asked you to proved support for your claims. I'm specifically looking for clips showing Batroc dominating "fodder" as you call them. That is the first part, don't ask me a question, when I just previously asked you to post damn clips showing what you claim. That is the first thingThe second question is... would you like me to quote you direcgtly saying Ozy has done better against peak human level skill guys? Or you saying N.O. and RO are likely above Batroc in skill formidability?
So specifically tell me your new stance... are you now claiming Batroc is above them in skill as one, compared to them as 2? Is that your claim?
Yup. That's my claim now. Also, I'll post a vid of Batroc beating up fodder as soon as you post a vid of either Comedian, NO or Rosch doing well against a superhuman.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Full Clownshoes mode now eh Froth? This barely deserves a response. All I will say is, I asked you to proved support for your claims. I'm specifically looking for clips showing Batroc dominating "fodder" as you call them. That is the first part, don't ask me a question, when I just previously asked you to post damn clips showing what you claim. That is the first thingThe second question is... would you like me to quote you direcgtly saying Ozy has done better against peak human level skill guys? Or you saying N.O. and RO are likely above Batroc in skill formidability?
So specifically tell me your new stance... are you now claiming Batroc is above them in skill as one, compared to them as 2? Is that your claim?
Actually, disregard my previous post. I just finished rewatching the Batroc vs. Cap fight. Batroc only lands 1 hit on Cap and that's during the initial flurry when Batroc blindsided Cap. Even I can land a hit on a UFC champion as long as I can catch them by surprise.
As soon as Cap got his bearings Batroc was unable to land another hit.
So your entire argument regarding Batroc just became invalid.