Originally posted by FrothByte
Actually, disregard my previous post. I just finished rewatching the Batroc vs. Cap fight. Batroc only lands 1 hit on Cap and that's during the initial flurry when Batroc blindsided Cap. Even I can land a hit on a UFC champion as long as I can catch them by surprise.As soon as Cap got his bearings Batroc was unable to land another hit.
So your entire argument regarding Batroc just became invalid.
You just invalidated your own argument. I love when you do that. The reality is this, he lost to Cap, and did so easily at the end. Losing to somebody doesn't prove their skill by itself, especially when they lose easily at the end. So provide proof of Batroc's skill against fodder. We can see how N.O. and RO do against fodder. So if you feel Batroc is above both of them, you should be able to support such a notion. Support isn't, well he did okay against a good dude before going down easily. That doesn't prove his skill. I accept your concession that he isn't above them if you provide no video.
Originally posted by FrothByteThat's just because Cap spent half of the fight only blocking, but when He got serious it only took one punch to incapacitate Batroc.
Because he was able to at least keep up (for a bit) with Captain America. Even if he didn't last long, he put up a way better performance than BW did against WS.
WS on the other hand went out for the kill right off the bat.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Why the heck is MCU Batroc regarded so high anyway?
My point exactly.
Now Froth NEW claim is that Batroc alone is more formidable skill wise than N.O. and RO are together. In earlier posts he conceded he was likely behind them together. Now he's flip flopped, and said Batroc is above them both in skill. I'm saying based on? He failed at providing proof.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
My point exactly.Now Froth NEW claim is that Batroc alone is more formidable skill wise than N.O. and RO are together. In earlier posts he conceded he was likely behind them together. Now he's flip flopped, and said Batroc is above them both in skill. I'm saying based on? He failed at providing proof.
Conceded? Please post the quote where I said that. I'm pretty sure "conceded" is not the right term. Besides, if you can change your definition of "skill" from just pure acrobatics to now include agility, finesse and overall combat skill, I do believe I have the right to change my opinion too no?
You keep asking for proof when you provide none. What a joke. The proof of Batroc being better than NO and Roscharch is because he performed better against a superhuman than the two of them combined.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
That's just because Cap spent half of the fight only blocking, but when He got serious it only took one punch to incapacitate Batroc.WS on the other hand went out for the kill right off the bat.
Because Batroc only has human durability, that's what Cap ended him easily. But when you take into consideration the speed and skill needed to keep up with Cap for the time he did, plus the strength necessary to kick Cap's shield and stagger him, that's a pretty good showing for Batroc.
Problem with Kurupt's argument here is he takes this scene as a low showing for Cap instead of a high showing for Batroc.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Losing to somebody doesn't prove their skill by itself, especially when they lose easily at the end.
*cough* Nite-Owl and Rorschach *cough*
So provide proof of Batroc's skill against fodder. We can see how N.O. and RO do against fodder. So if you feel Batroc is above both of them, you should be able to support such a notion. Support isn't, well he did okay against a good dude before going down easily. That doesn't prove his skill. I accept your concession that he isn't above them if you provide no video.
So your big argument here is for somebody to prove how Batroc can do against common people with video that you know doesnt exist? Lol. Sorry theres not video of Batroc being apprehended by the city cops or him knocking around some bottom feeder alley thugs or prisoners with the aid of a girl. All we have is a scene where he fought a superior character than NO and RO ever did while looking faster and more skilled doing so. Thats enough for me.
Originally posted by FrothByteI agree with you on it being a high showing for Batroc, when you watch all of Cap's feats it's what makes the most sense.
Because Batroc only has human durability, that's what Cap ended him easily. But when you take into consideration the speed and skill needed to keep up with Cap for the time he did, plus the strength necessary to kick Cap's shield and stagger him, that's a pretty good showing for Batroc.Problem with Kurupt's argument here is he takes this scene as a low showing for Cap instead of a high showing for Batroc.
PD: Now that you mention it, apparently Batroc's kick packs more power than Thor's charged hammer. 😛
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I agree with you on it being a high showing for Batroc, when you watch all of Cap's feats it's what makes the most sense.PD: Now that you mention it, apparently Batroc's kick packs more power than Thor's charged hammer. 😛
Yeah it's weird. I assume it's because Thor was hitting downwards and Cap was fully braced against the blows whereas here the kick is horizontal and Cap wasn't properly braced.
Nah, it was a continuity error nonsense. Cap wasn't crushed by Thor because his shield did what vibranium does, it absorbed and deflected the energy of the attack, why the ensuing shockwave leveled a part of the forest.
Same thing happened in the highway fight, Cap blocked a grenade launcher and instead of the shield absorbing the energy, it sent him flying off the overpass. I think we all agree that Thor hammering Mjolnir down is more powerful than an grenade launcher.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiYou have no awareness to reality or logic. It's sad but enjoyable to watch.
You just invalidated your own argument. I love when you do that. The reality is this, he lost to Cap, and did so easily at the end. Losing to somebody doesn't prove their skill by itself, especially when they lose easily at the end. So provide proof of Batroc's skill against fodder. We can see how N.O. and RO do against fodder. So if you feel Batroc is above both of them, you should be able to support such a notion. Support isn't, well he did okay against a good dude before going down easily. That doesn't prove his skill. I accept your concession that he isn't above them if you provide no video.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Because Batroc only has human durability, that's what Cap ended him easily. But when you take into consideration the speed and skill needed to keep up with Cap for the time he did, plus the strength necessary to kick Cap's shield and stagger him, that's a pretty good showing for Batroc.Problem with Kurupt's argument here is he takes this scene as a low showing for Cap instead of a high showing for Batroc.
I love when Froth destroys his own points. This is so easy. You claim here Batroc has human durability. When then you just proved my point. N.O. and RO had superhuman durability. Thus they are above Batroc and EASILY. Not only does both of their skill combined surpass Batroc, but their durability is vastly better.. meaning they are more formidable. You're bad at this.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I love when Froth destroys his own points. This is so easy. You claim here Batroc has human durability. When then you just proved my point. N.O. and RO had superhuman durability. Thus they are above Batroc and EASILY. Not only does both of their skill combined surpass Batroc, but their durability is vastly better.. meaning they are more formidable. You're bad at this.
There you go again. Stating stuff as if you saying them automatically makes them fact. Go ahead and prove to me that N.O and Rosch have superhuman durability. You're not backing out of this one. You made the claim now back it up.
Originally posted by FrothByteWatch him try to wiggle. He thinks his baseless assertions is debating. Kt is one of the worst.
There you go again. Stating stuff as if you saying them automatically makes them fact. Go ahead and prove to me that N.O and Rosch have superhuman durability. You're not backing out of this one. You made the claim now back it up.
Incorrect... You flip-flopped and said Batroc was now better than them combined. YOU ADMITTED to changing your view. I required proof of said feats to support this. You came up with.. he did okay against Cap.. Nope NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Now support your "new" stance, and then I'll crush you EASILY than RO and N.O. have superhuman durability.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Incorrect... You flip-flopped and said Batroc was now better than them combined. YOU ADMITTED to changing your view. I required proof of said feats to support this. You came up with.. he did okay against Cap.. Nope NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Now support your "new" stance, and then I'll crush you EASILY than RO and N.O. have superhuman durability.
Oooh wow, so now I admitted to changing my view? Care to quote me where I said it? Let me guess... you're not going to provide the quote right?
C'mon KT, you're making yourself look stupid. You said N.O and Rosch have superhuman durability. How exactly did you get to that conclusion?