Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That's great, but not as impressive as Ozy's kick. Anything else, or Ozy takes the kicking category.
Great job glossing over the fact that you were caught lying and downplaying. 👆
Also, waiting for you to post a vid of you sending a guy flying back 10 feet with a kick in a fight. You said you could, and used it as part of your argument. So I'm waiting. And the guy mustn't stumble back, or fall and roll 10 feet. I want to see him flying back. And I want proof that it is you doing it.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I love how you can't answer such a basic question I keep asking. I know why, and it's very telling why you won't... I want to see you wiggle out of it again though...Do you feel Ozy can only move his arm that fast when catching bullets?
The bullet catch feat from Ozy was anticipated. He knew it was coming and reacted accordingly. Like I have said multiple times , It was a very impressive feat for Ozy. Do I think he can move his arm in bullet timing speeds at will. NOPE.
He is not the flash , he is not spiderman. It was a one time thing that was anticipated. And it was not in Combat. Then we see him on the ground. I could say that the anticipated reaction took all he had and was on the ground recuperating.
Show me what fight displayed Oxy punching , kicking or moving at bullet reaction speeds.
As I have said before its not hard to see who looked faster in their actual fights. WS or Ozy. Protip: its Bucky.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I also find it comical you continue to act like Bucky has the superior feats... and you still can't match the feats I posted.Jumping - You have yet to counter with something as good, let alone better
Throwing - Again, you have yet to post something as good or better than what I posted for Ozy.. in case you claim you forgot... Ozy throwing RO 10 feet into a pillar.... and then he goes an additional 10 more feet in the air. Casually picking up the Comedian and throwing him through Bullet Proof Glass.. Your feat of Bucky, grabbing a regular oldish dude who wasn't expecting it, isn't as good. Try again
Kicking - You have to match the feat of Ozy kicking RO.. AGAIN a trained human.. not some random carrier dude. Not only was it not as far, it wasn't as impressive. Again, he kicked his body, Ozy kicked his head, and he flew further.
As you can see, you have yet to match these feats, but keep pontificating like you have. BTW, I haven't include speed and reaction speed, which again is clearly and easily Ozy
Jumping lol? great Ozy jumps pretty high. Wont help him much in this fight.
I posted plenty of Bucky kicking and throwing people. The guy kicked into the Jet was farther than any Ozy one.
He kicked Cap off the hell-carrier about 10 feet or so. Cap is >>>>>>>>>>>>> some trained human.
What speed and reaction feats DURING A FIGHT are greater than what Bucky displayed?
Dont say the bullet catch thing because that wasnt in a fight and it was anticipated and he was on the floor recovering.
If you want to use that then Oxy does react like he did with the bullet to Buckys first punch, then Ozy is on the floor after that bullet reaction while Bucky kicks Ozy's ass like a soccer ball. All while Ozy is on the ground recovering.
If Ozy decides to block punches or kicks from bucky, eventually Ozys arms and legs will be broken. He is not dealing with some trained humans like Nite Owl or Rorchach. Bucky blows, especially with his robot arm will break Ozys limbs even if blocked. Especially since Ozy has no real durability feats.
It's even more ridiculous and laughable if you seriously think Bucky wont land any blows on Ozy. Because i kinda get that vibe with how you overhype Ozy. But I dont even think you can be that ridiculous to think that way.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerYes, he was caught lying. He's despicable and is being trashed left and right.
Great job glossing over the fact that you were caught lying and downplaying. 👆Also, waiting for you to post a vid of you sending a guy [B]flying
back 10 feet with a kick in a fight. You said you could, and used it as part of your argument. So I'm waiting. And the guy mustn't stumble back, or fall and roll 10 feet. I want to see him flying back. And I want proof that it is you doing it. [/B]
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Great job glossing over the fact that you were caught lying and downplaying. 👆Also, waiting for you to post a vid of you sending a guy [B]flying
back 10 feet with a kick in a fight. You said you could, and used it as part of your argument. So I'm waiting. And the guy mustn't stumble back, or fall and roll 10 feet. I want to see him flying back. And I want proof that it is you doing it. [/B]
Well, so be it then. Let's examine further since I also need to hold your hand in these discussions.
1. First, you really can't tell how far that kick is because of the angle it was delivered. I'm okay with it being 10 feet or a little more. Still not as far, so there's that.
2. We don't know if the engine had anything to do with pull him towards it i.e. negating how far he actually kicked him.
3. Third, and there's is no getting around this... It's much harder to kick someone in the head and send them flying, than it is to kick them square in the chest and send them flying. Do you disagree? If you do, then not only have you never seen a combat fight in your life, you need to take a basic physics class. Either one would tell you which is more difficult to pull off.
I never, not once said I could kick somebody like that. In fact, I even mention the fact that he wouldn't go flying like that. I love how you "forgot" to mention that part of my post. Typical at times from you, so I can't say I'm surprised. I said, I can send someone flying with a square kick to the chest. Not in the air like that of course, but some him flying.. tumbling... rolling back. We've seen in it happen numerous times in the UFC and Pride. Very common.
Now in stark contrast
What you've never seen, EVER.. is somebody be able to send someone flying 20 feet in the air from a kick to the head of a downed foe. Not just kicked that far... but kicked 10 feet... at which point they hit a concrete pillar... but still have another force to continue to fly 10 more feet after the pillar. The reason is hard is because you kicking a part of the body with much less mass and thus it's much hard to move said mass. Does that make any sense to you or do you believe you can kick somebody has far.. when you kick them in the head as Ozy did or how WS did?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Pls post the Ozy kick you think is more impressive.
Done so numerous time now.
Ozy kicks RO in the head and sends him flying further than WS kick did. Needless to say, sending a guy flying the way Ozy did... where he kicked him and with him on the ground is more difficult than what WS did... and it was further.
I don't know who wins, but I will say I agree that saying "Ozy never faced a superhuman opponent" isn't really a valid argument. Batman is supposed to be a normal guy too, but he does stuff no normal person could. The ease in which Ozy fought the others shows that he's obviously superhuman if you compare him to someone from the real world. But yes, within the confines of his own universe he doesn't have any special abilities. Basically the other guys seemed borderline peak human and Ozy treated them like trash.
Originally posted by Inhuman
The bullet catch feat from Ozy was anticipated. He knew it was coming and reacted accordingly. Like I have said multiple times , It was a very impressive feat for Ozy. Do I think he can move his arm in bullet timing speeds at will. NOPE.
He is not the flash , he is not spiderman. It was a one time thing that was anticipated. And it was not in Combat. Then we see him on the ground. I could say that the anticipated reaction took all he had and was on the ground recuperating.Show me what fight displayed Oxy punching , kicking or moving at bullet reaction speeds.
As I have said before its not hard to see who looked faster in their actual fights. WS or Ozy. Protip: its Bucky.
Jumping lol? great Ozy jumps pretty high. Wont help him much in this fight.
I posted plenty of Bucky kicking and throwing people. The guy kicked into the Jet was farther than any Ozy one.
He kicked Cap off the hell-carrier about 10 feet or so. Cap is >>>>>>>>>>>>> some trained human.What speed and reaction feats DURING A FIGHT are greater than what Bucky displayed?
Dont say the bullet catch thing because that wasnt in a fight and it was anticipated and he was on the floor recovering.If you want to use that then Oxy does react like he did with the bullet to Buckys first punch, then Ozy is on the floor after that bullet reaction while Bucky kicks Ozy's ass like a soccer ball. All while Ozy is on the ground recovering.
If Ozy decides to block punches or kicks from bucky, eventually Ozys arms and legs will be broken. He is not dealing with some trained humans like Nite Owl or Rorchach. Bucky blows, especially with his robot arm will break Ozys limbs even if blocked. Especially since Ozy has no real durability feats.
It's even more ridiculous and laughable if you seriously think Bucky wont land any blows on Ozy. Because i kinda get that vibe with how you overhype Ozy. But I dont even think you can be that ridiculous to think that way.
This is aim dodging here. He still needed to CATCH the bullet. His hand was at his side. It wasn't simply moving out of the way.. he caught the damn bullet. To even imply it was only anticipation is comical on one hand, idiotic on the other. If he simply dodged it, maybe, but to be able to react and move your hand to exactly where you're being shot... and catch it... yeah, that poops on anything you posted. It's as simple as that.
Here's the thing, you don't just get to discount feats and what they mean because you don't like them. Doesn't work that way. Just like when I see people claim Superman can't punch someone 100x in a second. Sure, he has never done that... but it's a given he can. When he's read every single medical book in the world in mere moments... with it showing him flipping through every page. If he can move his arm that fast, and process information that fast... He should be easily able to punch someone 1000x a second... shit, if you do the math on the books.. exponentially faster than that. Plus other feats like repairing a whole city in moments. Even when you try and give superman the lowest possible punch total.. it still comes out to well over 100x a second. Same thing here, if he can move that fast and have the skill and reaction speed to catch a bullet... he can punch faster than Bucky.. and is plain and simply faster than Bucky. Logic is logic, and there can be no escape from it. No amount of covering your ears is going to change that fact. BTW nobody said at will.. I simply asked you if you feel like he can move his arm that fast only when catching bullets. YOU AGAIN dodged the question because you know that it implies. You damn well know that logically arm movement is arm movement. He probably can't punch at those speeds all the time.. but he's certainly more than capable of pulling that speed sometimes...
No that kick wasn't as far.. what the hell are you talking about. The kick I have he flies farther... and it also collides with a pillar and still goes 10 feet after striking the pillar. Plus, again, one was a kick to the head while the dead was on the ground.. WS kicked the guy square in the chest i.e. much easier to send him flying. Shit, even if WS kicked a guy 20 feet.. and Ozy's was only 10.... but his was to the head... his would likely still be more impressive considering how it was done. Lucky for me, Ozy's kick was further.
As stated before, 2 peak skill human couldn't land a blow on him.. sometimes with his BACK turned... with NO shield. Ozy looked to be barely trying and was talking and still had nothing landed on him. Bucky on the other hand, constantly had blows landed on him. A going all out Bucky. Cap even had blows landed on him by Batroc with his shield. Him not having blows landed on him by N.O. and RO and the Comedian speaks about his speed. Especially when he's barely trying and giving his back to them.
Throwing again, I saw the feats you posted. I'm not saying you didn't post any. They aren't as good as what I posted in the issue. You said you had feats that matched or exceeded. If you can't match or surpass it, well, then said statement isn't true.
Originally posted by Surtur
I don't know who wins, but I will say I agree that saying "Ozy never faced a superhuman opponent" isn't really a valid argument. Batman is supposed to be a normal guy too, but he does stuff no normal person could. The ease in which Ozy fought the others shows that he's obviously superhuman if you compare him to someone from the real world. But yes, within the confines of his own universe he doesn't have any special abilities. Basically the other guys seemed borderline peak human and Ozy treated them like trash.
That argument basically calls into question how good Ozy really is, since he never faced anyone with the same physical stats that he has. It's very easy to look good when the people you face are a lot weaker than you.
Not a valid argument. It's a false association fallacy. Think of it this way....
Mike Tyson destroyed Tubbs or Berbick - he was so much better than him.. so of course he looks good.
Did that make a difference or mean that he can't beat Spinks or Razor... even though they are better than Tubbs or Berbick?
NO
Originally posted by Surtur
I don't know who wins, but I will say I agree that saying "Ozy never faced a superhuman opponent" isn't really a valid argument. Batman is supposed to be a normal guy too, but he does stuff no normal person could. The ease in which Ozy fought the others shows that he's obviously superhuman if you compare him to someone from the real world. But yes, within the confines of his own universe he doesn't have any special abilities. Basically the other guys seemed borderline peak human and Ozy treated them like trash.
Batman in the comics does superhuman things yeah I agree. In movies he doesn't so far.
Ozy did display feats in the movie that would indicate he was superhuman. The thing is Ozy while superhuman is still below cap. And Bucky was almost at Caps level based on movie feats.
If Cap couldnt really put down Bucky I dont see how Ozy(who is below Cap in pretty much everything) is going to win this.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is aim dodging here. He still needed to CATCH the bullet. His hand was at his side. It wasn't simply moving out of the way.. he caught the damn bullet. To even imply it was only anticipation is comical on one hand, idiotic on the other. If he simply dodged it, maybe, but to be able to react and move your hand to exactly where you're being shot... and catch it... yeah, that poops on anything you posted. It's as simple as that.Here's the thing, you don't just get to discount feats and what they mean because you don't like them. Doesn't work that way. Just like when I see people claim Superman can't punch someone 100x in a second. Sure, he has never done that... but it's a given he can. When he's read every single medical book in the world in mere moments... with it showing him flipping through every page. If he can move his arm that fast, and process information that fast... He should be easily able to punch someone 1000x a second... shit, if you do the math on the books.. exponentially faster than that. Plus other feats like repairing a whole city in moments. Even when you try and give superman the lowest possible punch total.. it still comes out to well over 100x a second. Same thing here, if he can move that fast and have the skill and reaction speed to catch a bullet... he can punch faster than Bucky.. and is plain and simply faster than Bucky. Logic is logic, and there can be no escape from it. No amount of covering your ears is going to change that fact. BTW nobody said at will.. I simply asked you if you feel like he can move his arm that fast only when catching bullets. YOU AGAIN dodged the question because you know that it implies. You damn well know that logically arm movement is arm movement. He probably can't punch at those speeds all the time.. but he's certainly more than capable of pulling that speed sometimes...
No that kick wasn't as far.. what the hell are you talking about. The kick I have he flies farther... and it also collides with a pillar and still goes 10 feet after striking the pillar. Plus, again, one was a kick to the head while the dead was on the ground.. WS kicked the guy square in the chest i.e. much easier to send him flying. Shit, even if WS kicked a guy 20 feet.. and Ozy's was only 10.... but his was to the head... his would likely still be more impressive considering how it was done. Lucky for me, Ozy's kick was further.
As stated before, 2 peak skill human couldn't land a blow on him.. sometimes with his BACK turned... with NO shield. Ozy looked to be barely trying and was talking and still had nothing landed on him. Bucky on the other hand, constantly had blows landed on him. A going all out Bucky. Cap even had blows landed on him by Batroc with his shield. Him not having blows landed on him by N.O. and RO and the Comedian speaks about his speed. Especially when he's barely trying and giving his back to them.
Throwing again, I saw the feats you posted. I'm not saying you didn't post any. They aren't as good as what I posted in the issue. You said you had feats that matched or exceeded. If you can't match or surpass it, well, then said statement isn't true.
You didnt address my statement that says Bucky will land blows on Ozy.
And when he does Ozy will be down. Ozy has no durability feats.
If Ozy blocks, eventually Bucky will break Ozys arms or legs that are Blocking Bucky blows.
And you are insinuating Bucky wont even land a single hit on Ozy which is laughable. Just because some peak humans didnt. Bucky is no peak human.
You are also talking about Ozy moving at bullet timing speads when we didnt see him doing so in a fight.
Lets say he does move that fast on occasion. Great. still wont give him the win.
If Cap couldnt put down Bucky, Ozy wont either.
This post wont change anything though. You have your stance on the matter. I have mine.
Lets agree to disagree.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Well, so be it then. Let's examine further since I also need to hold your hand in these discussions.1. First, you really can't tell how far that kick is because of the angle it was delivered. I'm okay with it being 10 feet or a little more. Still not as far, so there's that.
2. We don't know if the engine had anything to do with pull him towards it i.e. negating how far he actually kicked him.
3. Third, and there's is no getting around this... It's much harder to kick someone in the head and send them flying, than it is to kick them square in the chest and send them flying. Do you disagree? If you do, then not only have you never seen a combat fight in your life, you need to take a basic physics class. Either one would tell you which is more difficult to pull off.
I never, not once said I could kick somebody like that. In fact, I even mention the fact that he wouldn't go flying like that. I love how you "forgot" to mention that part of my post. Typical at times from you, so I can't say I'm surprised. I said, I can send someone flying with a square kick to the chest. Not in the air like that of course, but some him flying.. tumbling... rolling back. We've seen in it happen numerous times in the UFC and Pride. Very common.
Now in stark contrast
What you've never seen, EVER.. is somebody be able to send someone flying 20 feet in the air from a kick to the head of a downed foe. Not just kicked that far... but kicked 10 feet... at which point they hit a concrete pillar... but still have another force to continue to fly 10 more feet after the pillar. The reason is hard is because you kicking a part of the body with much less mass and thus it's much hard to move said mass. Does that make any sense to you or do you believe you can kick somebody has far.. when you kick them in the head as Ozy did or how WS did?
Doesn't work that way. You claimed more than once it was less than 10 feet. Fact.
Multiple people can clearly see that it is well over 10 feet. Fact.
You can actually visibly see the distance in an earlier, wider shot. Fact.
I.E. you were caught in a lie. Throwing down a wall of text does nothing to change this.
Either you send someone flying or you don't and you used the word "flying" back.
Flight definition: noun
1.
the action or process of flying through the air.
Bucky actually sent someone fully airborne. Big difference to sending someone stumbling or rolling or tumbling. So people can't actually send guys flying in the manner Bucky did. Glad we got that settled. And you never mentioned tumbling or rolling when you talked about your own kicking in that post.
And lol at you accusing me ignoring bits of your posts, considering how often you selectively ignore things and flat-out accuse other people of stating things they didn't.
So basically, you are trying to shift the goalposts from flying to tumbling and rolling, and yet you still did not provide a clip of you even doing that. So concession accepted.