Ozymandias vs. Winter Soldier (h2h)

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Are you kidding me? Come on, man. Are we looking at the same pic here? How can you even say he was less than 10 feet? Are you looking at the elevated TAIL of the jet w/c was NOT even where Bucky sent him. And, from virtue of perspective, appear closer only because it is elevated and blocking the camera from its angle? The wing engine's actual position is outside of the shot, and judging from the height of the crewman, it is well over 20 feet. Closer to 30.

And again, the positioning from that pic is the LEAST distance the crew member was prior to the kick. The CREW MEMBER WAS MOVING FORWARD from that position. Bucky moving forward has ZERO bearing on the position of the crewman prior to the kick. ZERO. How is this not obvious?

This is what I'm confused about... If you acknowledge that it's hard to tell perspective wise how far away he is because it's overhead... then what scale did you use to determine it. You concede he appears closer... he appears 10 feet from the engine... you're saying that is deceptive... okay... what did you use to figure it out?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is what I'm confused about... If you acknowledge that it's hard to tell perspective wise how far away he is because it's overhead... then what scale did you use to determine it. You concede he appears closer... he appears 10 feet from the engine... you're saying that is deceptive... okay... what did you use to figure it out?

Distance of engine using height of crewman as a reference.

It's not hard to determine.

And when did I concede anything? Never said anything about how "he" (as in crewman) appeared closer. I was saying that you seem to be basing distance using the TAIL of the jet. Which is not only wrong in relevance (as WS never sent him there) but also wrong as a basis on measurement as the tail was angled in such a way that it blocked the camera from its angle. Making it look closer.

Again, look away from the tail. It has no bearing on anything. Look at the engine and base it from there.

First Nib, I don't know why you keep thinking I was looking at the tail, and no point did I even reference the tail in any of my posts. I'm looking at him to the engine, and by no means does that look 20 feet away or more.. it doesn't look 15. It could be, but the angle makes it impossible to tell really. Which is the point. Okay let's it was 20 and further than Ozy's for argument sake. That still doesn't factor in that it's much more difficult to send something flying by kicking them in the head while they are on the ground... than it is to kick a guy square in the chest. Do you disagree?

Using the guy Bucky kicked as a reference. I made this pic to better determine an estimate of the distance he was kicked.

Lets say the guy was 5'10.
Also I ran out of space on the pic. The Engine on the wing part was farther to the right of the pic.

That guy with the circle wasn't the one kicked. The second guy was kicked if I'm remembering correctly.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That guy with the circle wasn't the one kicked. The second guy was kicked if I'm remembering correctly.

The second guy is the one im using for reference. Not the one in the circle.

Here is the pic without the red outline.

you can clearly see what guy I used to make the duplicates.

I also don't think that guy Bucky kicked flew 20 feet. 10 feet at max

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111186914/4930063-5519719620-DvMCK.gif

Also, this longer gif shows that it is not thst clear how well Bucky reacted to bullets. When the scene shifts to Bucky he already has his arm raised

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
I also don't think that guy Bucky kicked flew 20 feet. 10 feet at max

The evidence on screen and the still pic I posted/made proves it is 20 feet if not more. This is not my opinion. It's based on screen feats.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111186914/4930063-5519719620-DvMCK.gif

Also, this longer gif shows that it is not thst clear how well Bucky reacted to bullets. When the scene shifts to Bucky he already has his arm raised

Even if he had his arm up , it's still close range automatic rifle fire. That's greater than a hand gun that was farther away from Ozy.
And there is also Bucky dodging automatic fire from Falcon with his agility, speed, and reaction time.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is what I'm confused about... If you acknowledge that it's hard to tell perspective wise how far away he is because it's overhead... then what scale did you use to determine it. You concede he appears closer... he appears 10 feet from the engine... you're saying that is deceptive... okay... what did you use to figure it out?

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
I also don't think that guy Bucky kicked flew 20 feet. 10 feet at max

To have had the kind of hang time that guy had, he would have needed to be kicked at a lot more than 10 feet. Getting kicked only 10 feet away means he should have hit the plane only a split second after the kick.

10 feet is the height of a basketball rim. The guy was propelled a lot further than that.

Th lengths some posters will go to downplay Bucky's feat is truly sad.

Originally posted by FrothByte
To have had the kind of hang time that guy had, he would have needed to be kicked at a lot more than 10 feet. Getting kicked only 10 feet away means he should have hit the plane only a split second after the kick.

he very well may have been kicked further than 10.. problem is, you can't really tell by any of the pictures. However, let's say it was 20.. okay.. that still doesn't change the fact that it is VASTLY harder to kick someone in the head and have them fly as far as Ozy did, compared to kicking somebody standing directly in the chance. Do you agree a kick to the chest will send a guy farther than a kick to the head of a downed foe.

Basing from the diagram that both Inhuman and Nibedicus has provided, the distance actually seems more 30 ft. than 20 ft.

As for kicking in the head and chest, yes, it is pretty much harder to send someone flying from a head kick than a chest kick. But then you also need to consider that Rosch only flew a very short distance away.

The best conclusion in this scenario because there are so many unknowns is neither kicks prove that one was stronger than the other.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Basing from the diagram that both Inhuman and Nibedicus has provided, the distance actually seems more 30 ft. than 20 ft.

As for kicking in the head and chest, yes, it is pretty much harder to send someone flying from a head kick than a chest kick. But then you also need to consider that Rosch only flew a very short distance away.

The best conclusion in this scenario because there are so many unknowns is neither kicks prove that one was stronger than the other.

I think that is somewhat fair estimate. However, and I think you'd agree, it's more likely Ozy's was harder. Ozy's appeared to fly comparably as far.. but more importantly.. the guy still had enough force to fly into a pillar and then continue to fly further. As I said before, even if Ozy's kick was 10 feet (It's more), and Bucky's was 25... I'd still rank Ozy's better simply because of how hard it would be to send someone flying that far. However, I don't think your conclusion is that far off, and was pretty fair in the end.

If Ozy was really as Strong as Cap or Bucky then kicking someone in the head with so much force ,would have kicked their head clean off rather than send them flying 10 feet.

We get that you want to give Ozy the benefit of the doubt but the proof is Bucky's feats are superior and up against a much higher caliber of foe.

Originally posted by Inhuman
How is Ozy faster if he looked slower than bucky in all his fights?
The only instance is when he caught the bullet. Very impressive indeed but it was a 1 time thing. Then he was on the ground for a while. He never displayed that kind of speed in any of his fights.

People cant blow air from their mouths at 100 miles an hour at will. But on occasion when they sneeze, they do. Doesn't mean they are constantly breathing at 100 miles an hour.

Bucky on the other hand looked faster than Ozy in all his fights with Cap.
Ozy beating the people he did still doesnt equal fighting Legit super humans.

Im sure Bucky can beat the sh1t out of Black Widow, Hawkeye and Falcon with ease as well. And Widow is more impressive based on feats than any of the Watchmen Ozy beat.

but you cant write off catching a bullet into a "one time thing" lmao
the speed necessary to do that even once outshines anything bucky ever did speedwise.
that sneezing metaphor is shit considering we can easily mimick a sneeze at anytime. not to mention it in no way relates to catching a bullet with your hand 😂
do you believe he caught the bullet by accident?

also from my understanding ozy was not trying to kill in his fight with the 2 heroes. thus the tossing them around.

the most important fact about ozy as well is that he was not punched a single time...not once. even if he was looking during his monologue or fighting comedian.
bucky however was punched by everyone in the film. that alone tells you how much ozy overshadows other watchmen and even presents an argument that he may in fact fight better

The bottom line is Bucky wins. Say it loud say it proud.