Originally posted by FrothByte
So I guess other than KT, we all agree that WS wins right?
Just him and 0mega Spawn, but they're both obviously trolling as they have both been asked dozens of times for proof of Ozy's fighting speed and they refuse to post it. all the while claiming it's Ozy's fighting speed that will allow him to win.
Originally posted by Inhuman
Show me Ozy moving as super speeds in fights? I dont wat to assume or use my imagination. All his fights were slow and methodical.Bucky got rid of BP(suit-less) pretty easy while trying to escape. BP confronts him again and get 1 good kick in , Bucky falls and immediately escapes because of this. So BP actually helped Bucky escape. I dont see how that is a win for BP. When BP is in his suit they were pretty much evenly fighting. But BP has that indestructible suit if you were not aware.
1. Bucky beats Cap in the escape scene. Cap was even kinda KO'ed for a bit till he got up again, and climbed up that elevator shaft to look for Bucky.
2. Wrong. I already explained this.
3. Bucky was about to rip the dam arc reactor off of Tonys chest. Only thing that stopped that is IM using his heavy weaponry to get WS off of him. If it wasnt for that WS would have beat IM.
4. It wasnt casually. They fought for a bit before Spidey webbed WS. If Spiderman Webbed Cap on the ground like that , Cap would be on the ground too.
The only advantages Ozy holds over Bucky is Smarts and maybe vertical jumping.
I dont see how speed , skill and reaction are Ozy's? All his "fights" beg to differ. Again are we doing the "use your imagination or assume this or that " thing?Ozy does not move at bullet timing reactions in his fights. This is a fact based on feats. He doesnt fight at these speeds. If im wrong show me.
Ozy beat up on some skilled humans whos beast feat was beating up prisoners.
Bucky fights super powered people and skilled fighters greater than the Watchmen.
You can't use WS BFRING Cap as much of anything when Cap has beaten him on multiple occasions. So him temp BFRing Cap is of no consequence. Ozy could do the same thing. if all that is required is to kick Cap down an elevator shaft he could easily do so considering his striking power. Difference is, he'd do is faster than Bucky seeing that is exponentially smart than Bucky... he'd angle the fight to whatever gave him an advantage.
Bucky tried to turn and fight BP and was easily kicked off the ledge. How is that a good showing for Bucky? Just like in the car chasing scene... again Cap had to save Bucky there. Again when they locked up in the big battle.. Again BP got the better of that exchange. BP didn't have his suit on and was able to block and catch a WS punch. We have no idea about the BP.. but he wasnt' stated to be a SS candidate. For all we know it's just naturally trained ability. Well then, if BP can hang with them without the suit.... SO can Ozy... being that is he the ABSOLUTE PINNACLE of what you can become as a human. That is him M.O.
Wasn't that casual it was VERY Casual. It was done so easily, it was almost funny. WS got curbed in that scene by Spiderman.
I don't understand your argument here... WS would've done this if IM didn't do that. WTF are you talking about. We can say that about every single fight in comics or the movies. Oh well Rocky wouldn't have won if he didn't counter and land huge haymakers. IM wouldn't have beaten Hulk if not for Veronica. Would you like me to list real life boxing matches or MMA fights? The list would go on for days. That is why it's called a fight. IM countered and put WS on his ass and maimed him. Period. So no, he got curbed and permanently maimed. This was a WS with help mind you.
You don't have to imagine it, it's a fact. If you can move your arm fast enough to catch a bullet being fired at you from 3 feet away. You'll be able to react to ANY punch Bucky throws and easily so. You keep saying.. well I don't see him move at bullet speeds... problem with that is two fold:
1. We see his hand move fast enough to catch it. If the director was accurately trying to portray the scene we'd just see a blur, yet we see the whole scene clearly. Thus, you judging how fast YOU THINK he's punching and moving is irrelevant. Clearly the director wasn't always thinking about how fast speed should look.
2. Why would you think he NEEDS to move at Bullet time speeds in the fights he had. He clearly didn't need to. They didn't land a single blow on him... yet you wanted to see him move faster than that LMAO. That's atrocious logic. There was absolutely zero need to move any faster than he did. If they landed blows, then you could say, well if he could move that fast why didn't he instead of taking punches. Yet here, when they don't land a single fing blow, you wanna go... well I wanted to see him move faster LOL. Come on man, you're better than this.
Ozy is unquestionably faster than WS, and frankly it's not even that close. He's also vastly smarter than Bucky.. exponentially so. Which as you know, can boss a fight. If Ozy is the better tactician you don't think that will make a difference in a fight. As you admit he can clearly jump higher than Bucky. Again showing that Ozy being the pinnacle of human training can match certain aspects of the SS. If SS made WS better than Ozy in all areas.. Ozy wouldn't be able to jump as high.. nor be faster.. nor have faster reactions... yet he does. We've seen Ozy striking power being every bit as impressive as WS. Froth even admitted Ozy is more skilled than Bucky, and I agree. So what the heck are we left with here... most areas that matter in a fight Ozy is his superior.
Originally posted by Robtard
IMO, going Toe-2-Toe with Cap and then BFR'ing him is impressive. Ozy couldn't do it, imo.With all the gear she carries, she could probably hold herself against Ozy for a bit.
I actually edited, "overpowered" to "handled" as that was doing injustice to BP. He was still impressive when taking on BP in that scene.
WS ultimately losing to IM isn't really a low showing for WS considering it's IM. WS' arm being able to damage the suit is the point though.
Of course he could and even easier. He's exponentially the tactician WS is. If he wanted to find a way to bring the fight to the elevator he would do so.. and do so quicker. It's Ozy. We've seen Cap can be moved by strikes and blows. We know Ozy has comparable striking power to Bucky... thus he could move Cap... I see no issue with Ozy replicating what Bucky did, only he do it faster.
She didn't try and take on Bucky with gear though. Even with gear she stands no chances against Ozy, let alone without. So WS getting the better of her proves next to nothing. Ozy would curb her with the greatest of ease.
Yeah, he has a strong Bionic arm.. we know this big Rob... Him almost doing this and that with his strong arm is whatever. Anybody with that arm could do the same thing. It didn't net him a victory is the point. He was put down and maimed. So all those almost moves got him maimed. I'm not impressed with that. He lost, and needed saving. That doesn't help WS argument here.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Of course he could and even easier. He's exponentially the tactician WS is. If he wanted to find a way to bring the fight to the elevator he would do so.. and do so quicker. It's Ozy. We've seen Cap can be moved by strikes and blows. We know Ozy has comparable striking power to Bucky... thus he could move Cap... I see no issue with Ozy replicating what Bucky did, only he do it faster.She didn't try and take on Bucky with gear though. Even with gear she stands no chances against Ozy, let alone without. So WS getting the better of her proves next to nothing. Ozy would curb her with the greatest of ease.
Yeah, he has a strong Bionic arm.. we know this big Rob... Him almost doing this and that with his strong arm is whatever. Anybody with that arm could do the same thing. It didn't net him a victory is the point. He was put down and maimed. So all those almost moves got him maimed. I'm not impressed with that. He lost, and needed saving. That doesn't help WS argument here.
Doubt Ozy would last that long against Cap, especially now. Cap's improved in each film.
She did have her gear in CA:WS; she was running for her life from Bucky.
The point is if that arm can tear into Tony's suit (which can take a tank shelling among other things), it's going to tear into Ozy even easier.
Originally posted by Robtard
Doubt Ozy would last that long against Cap, especially now. Cap's improved in each film.She did have her gear in CA:WS; she was running for her life from Bucky.
The point is if that arm can tear into Tony's suit (which can take a tank shelling among other things), it's going to tear into Ozy even easier.
he'd never be able to grab Ozy with said arm, let alone use it. BP was blocking his shots just fine while not even in his suit. If I remember correctly he was even able to catch his arm. Yeah, he's not grabbing Ozy here.
Yeah, she had her gear, and he had a automatic rifle... while she had no gun.. yeah... I'd say they were pretty even there. He didn't put her down. Ozy wouldn't have a blow landed on him by her.