Originally posted by KingD19
Remember when Panther out of his suit ran around a corner, and beat Bucky to the top of the stairs that Bucky was already halfway up? T'Challa actually had to jump back down to reach him.How would a non-enhanced human go up like 2-3 flights of stairs in a few seconds, then have to jump back down to engage Bucky again? I mean...unless T'Challa is enhanced as his fight scenes clearly show and he just hopped up there.
Originally posted by KingD19
Remember when Panther out of his suit ran around a corner, and beat Bucky to the top of the stairs that Bucky was already halfway up? T'Challa actually had to jump back down to reach him.How would a non-enhanced human go up like 2-3 flights of stairs in a few seconds, then have to jump back down to engage Bucky again? I mean...unless T'Challa is enhanced as his fight scenes clearly show and he just hopped up there.
Okay, and? I could cite multiple showings from BW and Hawkeye that shown mean they are superhuman... only we know they are not. See how that works? Just because someone is shown being able to do stuff they shouldn't, we don't automatically say they're enhanced do you? Do you think John McClane is enhanced? Should I cite incidence that should've have happened? It's like you're new to movies or something. This happens all the time in movies, people do stuff they shouldn't, doesn't mean we go... they must be enhanced. To say nothing of the fact that I was one of the first people to bring up comics and eating the heart as a possibility. I just said nothing was ever said, which is 100% true.
What have BW and Clint done that shows they are superhumanly enhanced to the point where they can fight and move around like Bucky and Cap? Aside from fight them and lose?
Do you think either Natasha or Clint could have say, run as fast on the highway as Panther/Cap/Bucky? Do you think either of them could have made that jump from one building to the other? Do you think they could have withstood multiple blows from Bucky's arm when he was trying to hurt/kill them? When holding back he launched a man 10+ feet through a wall? Do you think they could have vaulted up to those stairs without any tech? Panther did all that.
And before you say again, "OH, but Panther and Hawkeye fought, and Hawkeye did okay!" No he didn't. Panther was holding back as the only person he wanted to fight/kill was Bucky. And Clint just so happened to be skilled enough to keep up with a non-hostile T'Challa. Who promptly ended the fight by slicing through his bow.
Originally posted by Robtard
KT, you're correct, BP was never specially stated as having super-powersin the film, but it was fairly obvious that he was both super and within the range of Cap and Bucky. You had a quanchi moment, it happens.Just be glad you're not actually quanchi, cos remember he's guy who saw this scene:
and came to the conclusion that Spider-Man and Bucky are "peers".
Man that was a low blow Rob, even joking, I'm insulted I did anything that reminded you of the short dumb dweeb.
Look at my latest post. I'm one of the first people who said he could be enhanced and brought up the comics. I point blank said this. Seeing people do what appears to be enhanced stuff doesn't mean they are enhanced. This happens all the time in movies. Literally in almost every action movie. We don't go, I wonder if they are enhanced or not. Shit, we see BW and Hawkeye (skilled streets) doing stuff they shouldn't. We do go, maybe they are enhanced with SS. Nah, we just go, they are really skilled. Granted, I agree that when dealing with Marvel Comic book characters you might want to side with the enhanced theory or not, probably true, but all I ever said is.. we simply don't know.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWe did know. You didn't. It's been verified now for the morons. Cap also worked Spiderman up pretty good as well.
Man that was a low blow Rob, even joking, I'm insulted I did anything that reminded you of the short dumb dweeb.Look at my latest post. I'm one of the first people who said he could be enhanced and brought up the comics. I point blank said this. Seeing people do what appears to be enhanced stuff doesn't mean they are enhanced. This happens all the time in movies. Literally in almost every action movie. We don't go, I wonder if they are enhanced or not. Shit, we see BW and Hawkeye (skilled streets) doing stuff they shouldn't. We do go, maybe they are enhanced with SS. Nah, we just go, they are really skilled. Granted, I agree that when dealing with Marvel Comic book characters you might want to side with the enhanced theory or not, probably true, but all I ever said is.. we simply don't know.
Originally posted by KingD19
What have BW and Clint done that shows they are superhumanly enhanced to the point where they can fight and move around like Bucky and Cap? Aside from fight them and lose?
Fighting them is the GREATEST form of proof. We see Hawkeye go toe to toe with an enhanced BP IN his suit. He was able to block and parry multiple strikes. We see BW block strikes from WS bionic arm. We see Iron not in his suit parry a bionic arm punch. That IS the proof they can hand for a little bit. We all see the scenes in WS where Cap gets his punches blocked by Rumalow in the elevator. 3 punches to be exact. He's below BW and Hawkeye, yet he was still able to block, parry and counter 3 times. You'd think not, only it happened. As I said, do you think McClane is enhanced to just cause he does stuff he shouldn't? Are you new to action flicks?
Look at the scene I referenced with BW in The Avengers. When she leaped up and grabbed the speeder as it was speeding by. That should've totally rip any humans arms of, let alone be able to hang on. She did it casually. Did you go, she must have SS in her? No, she just really skilled. I could go on and on, but you get the point here.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Fighting them is the GREATEST form of proof. We see Hawkeye go toe to toe with an enhanced BP IN his suit. He was able to block and parry multiple strikes. We see BW block strikes from WS bionic arm. We see Iron not in his suit parry a bionic arm punch. That IS the proof they can hand for a little bit. We all see the scenes in WS where Cap gets his punches blocked by Rumalow in the elevator. 3 punches to be exact. He's below BW and Hawkeye, yet he was still able to block, parry and counter 3 times. You'd think not, only it happened. As I said, do you think McClane is enhanced to just cause he does stuff he shouldn't? Are you new to action flicks?Look at the scene I referenced with BW in The Avengers. When she leaped up and grabbed the speeder as it was speeding by. That should've totally rip any humans arms of, let alone be able to hang on. She did it casually. Did you go, she must have SS in her? No, she just really skilled. I could go on and on, but you get the point here.
I think Crossbones (no suit), Batroc, BW, Hawkeye, and some Agents of Shield (tv show) guys can take out people like Nite Owl, Silk Spectre and Rorschach
Originally posted by KingD19
So since most people are pretty close to their comic counterparts...Panther simply isn't? He'd be the one character introduced in the 8 years of the Marvel movies with no similarity to the powers of his comic version?
Never said that. I'm simply stating, and am 100% factual in doing so, that people do stuff all the time they shouldn't.. does mean we go.. they're enhanced!!! True or false?
Further, for the 5th time, I'm the one who brought up comics and that being a possibility about why he's enhanced. Further, do you know how Spiderman in the comics originally was able to shoot web? Do you think it was the same as the original movie portrayed?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Man that was a low blow Rob, even joking, I'm insulted I did anything that reminded you of the short dumb dweeb.Look at my latest post. I'm one of the first people who said he could be enhanced and brought up the comics. I point blank said this. Seeing people do what appears to be enhanced stuff doesn't mean they are enhanced. This happens all the time in movies. Literally in almost every action movie. We don't go, I wonder if they are enhanced or not. Shit, we see BW and Hawkeye (skilled streets) doing stuff they shouldn't. We do go, maybe they are enhanced with SS. Nah, we just go, they are really skilled. Granted, I agree that when dealing with Marvel Comic book characters you might want to side with the enhanced theory or not, probably true, but all I ever said is.. we simply don't know.
Ha, com on.
I agree that you are correct and that it was never outright stated, but we do have evidence that BP is super sans the suit.
-The not so obvious was how he survived the explosion that killed his father without a single wound when he tried using his body to protect his father.
-The obvious was his fight with Zemo-controlled Bucky, that told us that he's still a super-player even without his suit.
Originally posted by Robtard
Ha, com on.I agree that you are correct and that it was never outright stated, but we do have evidence that BP is super sans the suit.
-The not so obvious was how he survived the explosion that killed his father without a single wound when he tried using his body to protect his father.
-The obvious was his fight with Zemo-controlled Bucky, that told us that he's still a super-player even without his suit.
Agreed, but again, and you know this, we see it all the time in actions movies... people doing stuff they shouldn't. I literally happens every movie and we don't go... they must be enhanced. We certainly don't, which is the point. I agree though, when dealing with Marvel characters and what we know about them in comics, you likely side with enhanced. I'd agree there, but I also said that very thing.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Never said that. I'm simply stating, and am 100% factual in doing so, that people do stuff all the time they shouldn't.. does mean we go.. they're enhanced!!! True or false?Further, for the 5th time, I'm the one who brought up comics and that being a possibility about why he's enhanced. Further, do you know how Spiderman in the comics originally was able to shoot web? Do you think it was the same as the original movie portrayed?
No, I get your point. But it's wrong due to the context. Panther has powers in the comics, gained by the Heart Herb. Whether he ate the herb in the movies or not, we know he did in the comics, and he did things no street leveler would be able to do. If you say you think Hawkeye or Widow would have lasted or even won or even survived against an out to kill Winter Soldier who wasn't trying to escape, he was only trying to kill them. And they were in dress clothes with no tech or gear, then you're lying. He was very clearly enhanced despite them not saying anything about it.
And you use one instance from a different movie franchise(the only such case so far where the power is far different from their origin) , when in the exact movie and instance i'm talking about, Peter uses his web-shooters and is in his classic costume.
Originally posted by KingD19
No, I get your point. But it's wrong due to the context. Panther has powers in the comics, gained by the Heart Herb. Whether he ate the herb in the movies or not, we know he did in the comics, and he did things no street leveler would be able to do. If you say you think Hawkeye or Widow would have lasted or even won or even survived against an out to kill Winter Soldier who wasn't trying to escape, he was only trying to kill them. And they were in dress clothes with no tech or gear, then you're lying. He was very clearly enhanced despite them not saying anything about it.And you use one instance from a different movie franchise(the only such case so far where the power is far different from their origin) , when in the exact movie and instance i'm talking about, Peter uses his web-shooters and is in his classic costume.
So I cite an example that is totally valid, and proves that sometimes they take liberties with comic book characters, and even do so when it comes to HUGE plot points; and that doesn't count why? It absolutely counts and proves my point. I already agreed, that the safer bet was to side with enhanced. I'll concede that, in the end, it's the safer play. However, to act like it's a given, is even worse of a position to take considering the liberties people have taken with comic book characters in the past.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWhen did BW or Hawkeye outrun cars ? Was BW able to do as well against WS ? Are you retarded ? Don't answer that because we don't need an official interview to grasp the obvious. Yes, you are.
Never said that. I'm simply stating, and am 100% factual in doing so, that people do stuff all the time they shouldn't.. does mean we go.. they're enhanced!!! True or false?Further, for the 5th time, I'm the one who brought up comics and that being a possibility about why he's enhanced. Further, do you know how Spiderman in the comics originally was able to shoot web? Do you think it was the same as the original movie portrayed?