Ozymandias vs. Winter Soldier (h2h)

By the way Froth, don't think I didn't notice you not being able to refute the points I brought up about Cap being superior to Bucky which you disagreed with 😉

When did I say this? No Ozy would not beat BP in his suit. Wouldn't happen. Point me to any place I said this? While I think their skills are very comparable and Ozy is that badass or better in skill. His suit is such that what can Ozy do? No he'd lose. Then when you add the claws it's overkill. Not needed.

What I will say though is, Ozy is BP level in skill or better imo. He's that good, and even if you think he's not that good, his capable speed would make it not matter much would it? If he's more skilled or better, well then, you get my point. Difference is, a non suit BP against Ozy would still be a tougher fight imo for Ozy than Bucky. He'll have even more feats I suppose after his solo movie. It's clear though, he's very skilled no doubt. Tough fight for Ozy, but if BP healing factor isn't good (let's see), well then it's a clear advantage for Ozy imo.

What I'm saying and been seeing. Bucky is skilled and badass in ways yes, is arm is formidable, yes; but that doesn't change that fact that time and time again WS is outclassed and made to look like a brute. That's not beating Ozy. Plain and simple. You even agreed WS just isn't too skilled, he isn't. Ozy beats that guy.

You still haven't provided any proof that Ozy fights at bullet-time speeds.

Originally posted by FrothByte
At this point only KT seems to think Ozy wins. I'm half tempted to make an Ozy vs BP thread.

Today I learned; someone actually thinks Ozymandias is 'bad ass'.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
By the way Froth, don't think I didn't notice you not being able to refute the points I brought up about Cap being superior to Bucky which you disagreed with 😉

I don't even try to refute your points anymore because

1.) Pretty much everyone here are refuting each and everyone of your points. No need to keep beating a dead horse.

2.) Because regardless of how many times we repeat it, you refuse to listen.

3.) Because you yourself have never been able to refute the points me and he others have made. I mean till now, you have yet to show Ozy moving at speeds faster than Bucky during an actual fight. And this was brought up at the very beginning of this thread. Yet you continue to step around the issue.

So why should I waste time refuting your points when you don't extend the same courtesy to me?

Just saw Civil War. How is this subject even being debated anymore? Bucky destroys him. The only thing Ozy had going for him was the bullet catching feat, but Bucky was blocking assault rifle fire all fight long during the building escape. This is a nobrainer at this point.

Panther would beat him too even without the suit,

Originally posted by tkitna
How is this subject even being debated anymore?

KT likes trolling.

Originally posted by tkitna
Just saw Civil War. How is this subject even being debated anymore? Bucky destroys him. The only thing Ozy had going for him was the bullet catching feat, but Bucky was blocking assault rifle fire all fight long during the building escape. This is a nobrainer at this point.

Panther would beat him too even without the suit,

According to KT and Spawn, he aim dodged/blocked all of the soldiers in the building escape.

I think pretty much everyone knows that Winter Soldier trashes Ozy except his personal cheerleader KT.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
I think pretty much everyone knows that Winter Soldier trashes Ozy except his personal cheerleader KT.

I doubt the virgin will even respond at this point.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't even try to refute your points anymore because

1.) Pretty much everyone here are refuting each and everyone of your points. No need to keep beating a dead horse.

2.) Because regardless of how many times we repeat it, you refuse to listen.

3.) Because you yourself have never been able to refute the points me and he others have made. I mean till now, you have yet to show Ozy moving at speeds faster than Bucky during an actual fight. And this was brought up at the very beginning of this thread. Yet you continue to step around the issue.

So why should I waste time refuting your points when you don't extend the same courtesy to me?

So now we've resorted to plain lying in the hopes of sounding smart. No go. You were unable to REFUTE any points, but nothing knew there when we have discussions. Second, you were one of the few people who disagreed that Cap is his clear superior. So this whole theory of, multiple people didn't agree with you, and countered all your points, was again hilarious to even say. Again, I'm not the least bit surprised.

Maybe one day Kt will meet reality.

Originally posted by KingD19
According to KT and Spawn, he aim dodged/blocked all of the soldiers in the building escape.

He clearly did though not really no arguing with that... whenever he noticed a soldier he put up his metal arm...not whenever he noticed a guy about to shoot

WS beats the shit out of him.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So now we've resorted to plain lying in the hopes of sounding smart. No go. You were unable to REFUTE any points, but nothing knew there when we have discussions. Second, you were one of the few people who disagreed that Cap is his clear superior. So this whole theory of, multiple people didn't agree with you, and countered all your points, was again hilarious to even say. Again, I'm not the least bit surprised.

Are you ever going to get around to posting clips of Ozy fighting at bullet-time speed like you've claimed, or are you just going to keep running?

Kt has ran with his tail in between his legs.

Ran? Ozy wins this thread, and clearly so.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ran? Ozy wins this thread, and clearly so.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So now we've resorted to plain lying in the hopes of sounding smart. No go. You were unable to REFUTE any points, but nothing knew there when we have discussions. Second, you were one of the few people who disagreed that Cap is his clear superior. So this whole theory of, multiple people didn't agree with you, and countered all your points, was again hilarious to even say. Again, I'm not the least bit surprised.

What exactly am I lying about?

Quote me where I said Cap isn't a clear superior. Not that I disagree, just learned that when I'm debating with you I need to be sure I carefully pick my words because you have a habit of twisting them.

Originally posted by FrothByte
What exactly am I lying about?

Quote me where I said Cap isn't a clear superior. Not that I disagree, just learned that when I'm debating with you I need to be sure I carefully pick my words because you have a habit of twisting them.

You're lying about people refuting my points. Never happened. You attempted to "try" briefly, but failed. Inhuman tried for a bit and failed. He couldn't refute my last post at all, and my post proves that. So no, nobody did any such thing, and if you go back and look at the thread, you'll see the same thing. The whole discussion started with me saying Cap is above WS, you seemingly disagreed. Hence the discussion. Now, when you talk about it, you act like you agreed with me the whole time LOL. It's honestly hilarious