Originally posted by Silent Master
Kt's posts have been refuted dozens of times, he just refuses to admit it.
How did I miss this, is KT really saying Ozy beats WS?
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
He previously tried to assert he edominace when challenged on another stupid theory of his.
So since everyone ran him through the mud here and embarrassed him. I feel much better knowing his claims of winning are not true.
Not winning? I already won this thread. I made a post that nobody could refute. Which is what I expected mind you. They are based on facts and feats. Period, end of story. If you want to step up to the plate and see if you can counter the points made, please do so. I expect you wont', and you'll just rage stomp around for a bit till you calm down.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What sort of nonsense is this? You're making a faulty comparison, and frankly, it's not a good example. A punch is not analogous with a gun. There are different in so many ways it's hilarious. So your comparison has already failed.Further, doing something to deceive your foe again is not analogous to blocking punches. One was done to make the other drop their guard. Which is exactly what they did exactly how he planned. Just like in the comic. To say nothing of the above, which aren't comparable. He was clearly okay, he was smirking, I mean really? You like he was KO'd by that? lol
Then we are further left with that fact that when Ozy is engaging in h2h combat. He blocks punches, he doesn't magically fall down the stairs, smirk, drop your had for dramatic effect slowly. In every instance, when people engage him in h2h combat, he's blocking and countering with great skill and speed. The above is why I don't even understand why you're trying to push a non point. We are simply left with the above and there is no getting around these facts
Ozy is decisively faster in arm movement
Ozy is decisively smarter than Bucky, in fact, I'd even say exponentially. It's that wide a gap. Needless to say, being the smartest guy on the planet would certainly help you in any combat situation; especially when you have all of the feats and levels mentioned in this post
Ozy is decisively better at blocking punches in h2h combat
Ozy has decisively better perceptions and reactions that Bucky
Ozy has jumped further, both height and lengthy, appearing to have no running start
Ozy has very comparable feats of striking power, and in fact, superior feats of hitting people further.
Ozy has very comparable feats of throwing people, and again, I would argue slightly superior. Not by much if at all but even.
Ozy has clearly demonstrated more skill in h2h combat than Bucky. By this is mean, when you see somebody fight, in the movies or real life. When you see somebody casually, blocking peak human level skill people. People we've seen beat the crap out of people. If we ever in real life saw somebody smirking, laughing, joking around while fighting two badass dudes. We'd be like holy shit!!! That is the best display of skill I've ever seen. It wasn't flashy it wasn't OMG flips, it was just a casual stroll in the park. Yet sending these dudes flying, in such a casual state. That is what he did. They didn't land a single punch on him. Guys clearly some of the best of the best humanity had to offer in skill. Yet they were clowned.
how does that compare with mostly in the end winning against these elite skill level guys i.e. BW, Agent 13, IM out of his suit, Hawkeye etc etc. In movie after movie they landed blows on him or got the jump on him. Sure he won, but which looks better? I mean really, come on, we know the answer.
Now, all of the above points us to what? Ozy clearly has superhuman traits and characteristics. If we're calling Bucky superhuman, okay, well if somebody matches those feats and in some greatly exceeds, there can be no other name. It seems some of you, not all, some think Ozy isn't that level. I've seen people who think WS wins admit Ozy must be if Bucky is.
So now that we establish that, you'd have to believe that Bucky's arm would be too much for Ozy. Well that doesn't really work for me. Not only would Ozy be the faster in h2h combat, but he's also better blocker and counter puncher. Clearly so. So he's going to be landing more, and getting his considerably less. We've seen what his blows can do, he's sending him flying or back, there can be no other way. Thus the arm is already negated.
However, even then, it still might tire you down eventually, sure, you can't just keep blocking it all day. However, with Ozy clear striking power and speed advantage, I don't see that being much of an issue. Bucky has been put to sleep, Ozy hasn't. Further, we seen people like BW, IM out of his suit, hawkeye against BP (you know the story). They can all counter these guys in spots. Showing even regular humans can block the arm. Ozy is no regular human, nor is he as slow as them, they might as well be snails. I mean honestly, Bucky isn't the most skilled guy to begin with, how much is he really landing? On Ozy? Yeah not a lot.
These are the facts guys, and they are backed up on screen. You may not like them, and you make try and say Bucky has the slight advantage. But in the end, Ozy has decisively better things, and comparable ones. Very few he's inferior. Accept it, and set your soul free, or please response and tell me which points are wrong
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Not winning? I already won this thread. I made a post that nobody could refute. Which is what I expected mind you. They are based on facts and feats. Period, end of story. If you want to step up to the plate and see if you can counter the points made, please do so. I expect you wont', and you'll just rage stomp around for a bit till you calm down.
You proved the entire forum wrong, what is the matter with you? Like who the **** do you think you are?
Cept WS beats the shit out of Ozy's two showings.
Deal with it.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The whole forum? Said no such thing. I'm only referring to the people in this thread who sided with Bucky, they were unable to counter, and rightfully so. Period, end of story.
Guess you failed to notice that everyone here except you and Omega have been on WS's side. Actually, even Omega thinks WS wins, just not as much as some of us.
I hope you're not arrogant enough to suggest that all of us have been wrong all this time and only you are correct?
What I'm suggesting is, talk is great, hyperbole is great. However, when it actually comes down to it, and you examine the feats. He doesn't. I illustrated every area in which Ozy is superior. If you disagree with each point, then submit your evidence in response. Sitting here and going, well many think Bucky wins doesn't cut it. Never has, never will. When all the feats and points are laid out as I did, it becomes clear what I've been saying. It's not as easy to dispute when the feats are presented and they are flat out superior.
Froth, so are you saying I was totally wrong with my post and points?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What I'm suggesting is, talk is great, hyperbole is great. However, when it actually comes down to it, and you examine the feats. He doesn't. I illustrated every area in which Ozy is superior. If you disagree with each point, then submit your evidence in response. Sitting here and going, well many think Bucky wins doesn't cut it. Never has, never will. When all the feats and points are laid out as I did, it becomes clear what I've been saying. It's not as easy to dispute when the feats are presented and they are flat out superior.Froth, so are you saying I was totally wrong with my post and points?
No, what you have been doing is stating your opinions... which numerous people here have already countered. The problem is, you refuse to acknowledge everyone's counterpoints. For example, someone here already proved how WS's kicking strength is greater than Ozy's. Did you acknowledge that?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Guess you failed to notice that everyone here except you and Omega have been on WS's side. Actually, even Omega thinks WS wins, just not as much as some of us.I hope you're not arrogant enough to suggest that all of us have been wrong all this time and only you are correct?
He is that arrogent, he tried to say:
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You should know better than to get into a debate with me T.I. But I do like how you think you've proved yourself right, when in fact, you were wrong once again.
Then lost the debate and ran away after two threads of getting owned.
Buffoonery 101 from T.I. Holy shit that was atrocious. Stop pontificating about winning and actually debate the points. You haven't won a thing in this thread or any other we're having a discussion in. I quoted my post, that for the vast majority of it, can't be countered. I gave you a chance to do so, you got scared and did nothing. Oh wait, you did do something, you bragged about winning, even though you didn't say a God damn thing of substance. Way to go T.I., nobody can lose a debate like you 👆
Originally posted by FrothByte
No, what you have been doing is stating your opinions... which numerous people here have already countered. The problem is, you refuse to acknowledge everyone's counterpoints. For example, someone here already proved how WS's kicking strength is greater than Ozy's. Did you acknowledge that?
I'm glad you brought that up, but that is EXACTLY what I'm talking about, NO SUCH THING WAS PROVEN AT ALL. Numerous people I don't even know, or who weren't even active in the thread, straight came in and said it wasn't 30 feet. They literally laughed at that number and said it was more like 10.
Further, as I correctly illustrated and pointed out, to which AGAIN there was no logical counter. Nib, who came up with the calculations, straight up admitted, that Ozy kicking somebody in the head, who's on the ground, and sending them flying like that... requires much more force than kicking somebody already upright straight to the chest. He flat out says, and I believe you did, that it's easier to send someone flying backwards from a kick to the chest.. than it is to a kick to the head of a guy lying on the ground. It's a 100% factual it's harder. See that's what I mean. That isn't countering my points and winning, that is trying to counter, and conceding WS wasn't superior. He said, because Ozy's was harder, even though I believe WS was further, it's hard to gauge because the striking power required to do one was more, but the other the guy flew further (in his opinion). You call that me losing the point? Absolutely not, and exactly what I'm talking about.
Now, I want you to tell me, which points in my post aren't facts. I want specifics on which points I brought up that WS is actually superior and not Ozy like I claimed. Name them. Stop the bullshit about oh this has already been done. No it has not. Do it then, and tell me which specific points was on incorrect on.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Buffoonery 101 from T.I. Holy shit that was atrocious. Stop pontificating about winning and actually debate the points. You haven't won a thing in this thread or any other we're having a discussion in. I quoted my post, that for the vast majority of it, can't be countered. I gave you a chance to do so, you got scared and did nothing. Oh wait, you did do something, you bragged about winning, even though you didn't say a God damn thing of substance. Why to go T.I., nobody can lose a debate like you 👆
This is ironic coming from you when you say stuff like this.
"You should know better than to get into a debate with me T.I. But I do like how you think you've proved yourself right, when in fact, you were wrong once again."
You didn't win anything here or in any other thread. The whole forum proved you wrong.
WS wins, deal with it.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I want specifics on which points I brought up that WS is actually superior and not Ozy like I claimed. Name them. Stop the bullshit about oh this has already been done. No it has not. Do it then, and tell me which specific points was on incorrect on.
So WS is superior, but Ozy beats him😂
Pick a side and stick with it.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Further, as I correctly illustrated and pointed out, to which AGAIN there was no logical counter. Nib, who came up with the calculations, straight up admitted, that Ozy kicking somebody in the head, who's on the ground, and sending them flying like that... requires much more force than kicking somebody already upright straight to the chest. He flat out says, and I believe you did, that it's easier to send someone flying backwards from a kick to the chest.. than it is to a kick to the head of a guy lying on the ground. It's a 100% factual it's harder. See that's what I mean. That isn't countering my points and winning, that is trying to counter, and conceding WS wasn't superior. He said, because Ozy's was harder, even though I believe WS was further, it's hard to gauge because the striking power required to do one was more, but the other the guy flew further (in his opinion). You call that me losing the point? Absolutely not, and exactly what I'm talking about.
I don't think some ppl saying "it was 10 feet" is superior proof to the evidence via a diagram that I posted (w/c showed it closer to 30 or 20? feet, I think, whatever the diagram showed, I can't remember. Just follow the diagram.). Plus I don't even recall who said that at all, can you quote them pls (was it OS?)?
I... don't recall ever saying the head kick "feat" having "much greater force". I might be getting old tho, so would you mind quoting me where I said that?
I would reckon that what I probably said that the head kick would require more force to propel the victim the same distance vs the chest kick (w/c is true) due to the loss of force (or is it inertia?) when the head is cocked to the side. But that is countered by the implication that the other kick propelled the victim much further. Which means (at best) that the comparison would be apples and oranges between the two due to the fact that the kick to the head would lose quite a bit of the force applied (as, like I said, the head accelerating to the side would dissipate some of the force of the kick). Essentially, higher difficulty vs much better results.
At best, that would mean that neither "feat" can quantifiably be compared to the other as we don't know how much force was lost when Ror's head was cocked to the side as someone needs to do the complex math behind it.
I'm not sure tho, that debate was a long time ago, so I might need a refresher. Seriously, I don't remember like 70% of the things you guys are arguing here and half the things I said or posted. This thread is THAT old. 😛
Tho, reading you reply carefully, I think that's also what you're saying here but I fail to see how you can use this as an example of you presenting irrefutable "facts". At best, you presented a theory that can't be refuted due to lack of evidence caused by the lack of ppl able (or willing) to do the complex physics behind it. But as with all theories, the burden of proof is actually on you (show us the math) before it becomes "fact".