Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Bro just get where you're getting at. No need for obvious strawman arguments 😬
Well, if you're too afraid to answer basic questions, I'm afraid there is just really no way to proceed...
shrug
Oh well.
Edit. Not sure how this could possibly be a strawman as I'm actually asking YOU questions (to clarify your own stance) instead of trying to present a faux argument as yours. One would think asking one side to clarify their position would be the OPPOSITE of a strawman....
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, if you're too afraid to answer basic questions, I'm afraid there is just really no way to proceed...shrug
Oh well.
Edit. Not sure how this could possibly be a strawman as I'm actually asking YOU questions (to clarify your own stance) instead of trying to present a faux argument as yours. One would think asking one side to clarify their position would be the OPPOSITE of a strawman....
You're asking me to "clarify" something i never said...definition of a straw man argument bro.
Seriously? Ozy can only defend by catching? Cmon bro get to your point or find a better straw man
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
You're asking me to "clarify" something i never said...definition of a straw man argument bro.Seriously? Ozy can only defend by catching? Cmon bro get to your point or find a better straw man
Um....
Yes, that is why those are worded in questions. That is actually the whole point. I'm not saying you said them....
Strawmans tend to be declarative in nature while questions are interrogative.
Sigh.
So, with your last sentence, I guess your answer to this:
Originally posted by Nibedicus
So you're saying ALL Ozy can do to defend is catch?
Is a no, correct?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Um....Yes, that is why those are worded in questions. That is actually the whole point. I'm not saying you said them....
Strawmans tend to be declarative in nature while questions are interrogative.
Sigh.
So, with your last sentence, I guess your answer to this:
Is a no, correct?
Get to the point bro
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Get to the point bro
The point is I'm trying to get a clear picture of YOUR point, so we can debate with zero misunderstandings and zero chances for trolling (as I DO vaguely remember you trying to troll me when the nature of my position wasn't all too clear). Call it trying to create assurances in logical position.
But if we're going to play "dodge the questions" all day, no one really has time for that. Some of us work for a living and I wanna spend my weekend productively. So I guess this is a bust.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
The point is I'm trying to get a clear picture of YOUR point, so we can debate with zero misunderstandings and zero chances for trolling (as I DO vaguely remember you trying to troll me when the nature of my position wasn't all too clear). Call it trying to create assurances in logical position.But if we're going to play "dodge the questions" all day, no one really has time for that. Some of us work for a living and I wanna spend my weekend productively. So I guess this is a bust.
Ok then bye bye now
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Some light humor won't kill you.But yes you need to actually be able to perceive things in order to catch it...
Not true. I used to play table tennis and I could catch the ball with my free hand when it's out of bounds even if it was delivered with a smash. Not because I could see it - the ball moves to fast for your eyes to keep up with it - but because you could anticipate the trajectory of the ball depending on how it was hit or even by the position of your opponent.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Not true. I used to play table tennis and I could catch the ball with my free hand when it's out of bounds even if it was delivered with a smash. Not because I could see it - the ball moves to fast for your eyes to keep up with it - but because you could anticipate the trajectory of the ball depending on how it was hit or even by the position of your opponent.
So you could play table tennis with an invisible ball
By anticipating its trajectory? 😂
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
If I had time to see what the trajectory would be, like Ozy did, yeah.A bullet's trajectory is also much more straightforward, easier to calculate.
So if i were six feet away from you and shot at you. You would be able to move your arm to catch it. AFTER it's been fired?
Ill have some of what you're smoking please
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
So you could play table tennis with an invisible ball
By anticipating its trajectory? 😂
Invisible ball? What has that got to do with this?
At certain speeds the ball is nothing but a blur and if you'll wait for your eyes to locate it then you'll be too late. You have to anticipate the trajectory.
What kind of Tom Foolery is still going on here? I mean this has already been addressed before. I said, you could've had Ozy have SS stand in the exact spot he ran his calculations for. He could have her arm exactly positioned to shot at a specific spot. It could be every worse than what you guys are claiming and be planed out before hand. It wouldn't matter. Even if the above was all true (which it's not), it would still poop on anything Bucky has ever shown. He'd still have to move his arm so fast regardless. Him anticipating it, doesn't change how fast he need to move his arm into position. Doing so AFTER the gun was fired.
Further, what exactly are you guys arguing about here? That Ozy doesn't have enhanced perception or something? What kind of silliness is this.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What sort of nonsense is this? You're making a faulty comparison, and frankly, it's not a good example. A punch is not analogous with a gun. There are different in so many ways it's hilarious. So your comparison has already failed.Further, doing something to deceive your foe again is not analogous to blocking punches. One was done to make the other drop their guard. Which is exactly what they did exactly how he planned. Just like in the comic. To say nothing of the above, which aren't comparable. He was clearly okay, he was smirking, I mean really? You like he was KO'd by that? lol
Then we are further left with that fact that when Ozy is engaging in h2h combat. He blocks punches, he doesn't magically fall down the stairs, smirk, drop your had for dramatic effect slowly. In every instance, when people engage him in h2h combat, he's blocking and countering with great skill and speed. The above is why I don't even understand why you're trying to push a non point. We are simply left with the above and there is no getting around these facts
Ozy is decisively faster in arm movement
Ozy is decisively smarter than Bucky, in fact, I'd even say exponentially. It's that wide a gap. Needless to say, being the smartest guy on the planet would certainly help you in any combat situation; especially when you have all of the feats and levels mentioned in this post
Ozy is decisively better at blocking punches in h2h combat
Ozy has decisively better perceptions and reactions that Bucky
Ozy has jumped further, both height and lengthy, appearing to have no running start
Ozy has very comparable feats of striking power, and in fact, superior feats of hitting people further.
Ozy has very comparable feats of throwing people, and again, I would argue slightly superior. Not by much if at all but even.
Ozy has clearly demonstrated more skill in h2h combat than Bucky. By this is mean, when you see somebody fight, in the movies or real life. When you see somebody casually, blocking peak human level skill people. People we've seen beat the crap out of people. If we ever in real life saw somebody smirking, laughing, joking around while fighting two badass dudes. We'd be like holy shit!!! That is the best display of skill I've ever seen. It wasn't flashy it wasn't OMG flips, it was just a casual stroll in the park. Yet sending these dudes flying, in such a casual state. That is what he did. They didn't land a single punch on him. Guys clearly some of the best of the best humanity had to offer in skill. Yet they were clowned.
how does that compare with mostly in the end winning against these elite skill level guys i.e. BW, Agent 13, IM out of his suit, Hawkeye etc etc. In movie after movie they landed blows on him or got the jump on him. Sure he won, but which looks better? I mean really, come on, we know the answer.
Now, all of the above points us to what? Ozy clearly has superhuman traits and characteristics. If we're calling Bucky superhuman, okay, well if somebody matches those feats and in some greatly exceeds, there can be no other name. It seems some of you, not all, some think Ozy isn't that level. I've seen people who think WS wins admit Ozy must be if Bucky is.
So now that we establish that, you'd have to believe that Bucky's arm would be too much for Ozy. Well that doesn't really work for me. Not only would Ozy be the faster in h2h combat, but he's also better blocker and counter puncher. Clearly so. So he's going to be landing more, and getting his considerably less. We've seen what his blows can do, he's sending him flying or back, there can be no other way. Thus the arm is already negated.
However, even then, it still might tire you down eventually, sure, you can't just keep blocking it all day. However, with Ozy clear striking power and speed advantage, I don't see that being much of an issue. Bucky has been put to sleep, Ozy hasn't. Further, we seen people like BW, IM out of his suit, hawkeye against BP (you know the story). They can all counter these guys in spots. Showing even regular humans can block the arm. Ozy is no regular human, nor is he as slow as them, they might as well be snails. I mean honestly, Bucky isn't the most skilled guy to begin with, how much is he really landing? On Ozy? Yeah not a lot.
These are the facts guys, and they are backed up on screen. You may not like them, and you make try and say Bucky has the slight advantage. But in the end, Ozy has decisively better things, and comparable ones. Very few he's inferior. Accept it, and set your soul free, or please response and tell me which points are wrong
The above post was never countered, because really, the majority couldn't be countered. Therefore, being that nobody was able to do so, which was expected mind you, Ozy official wins. Thanks for playing guys.