Ozymandias vs. Winter Soldier (h2h)

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Doesn't work that way. I'll get to your points after. You said ALL of mine were refuted. Yet here, you acknowledge my statement was in fact correct and not refuted. See what I mean? How could all my points be refuted, when you just said Acknowledged already? That's what I mean Froth, at least be truthful and not disingenuous when having these talks. Cool next point. Please refute this. Again, I'm sure you have some disagreements with some of them, and you agree with others. I think that is the case. But when I see you claim all my points were refuted, well that, that isn't actually the case is it. You agree with some of my points, you just don't think they give Ozy the victory. That is the fact of the matter But to hear you talk, it's like non of my points are factual and they are all wrong, and you know that isn't the case.

As I said, I'll go one by one to your points, but first you said my points have all be refuted and I expected that to be dealt with first. Then I have no issue going one by one for your points, and we'll see where we stand.

Next point. True or False '

Ozy is decisively smarter than Bucky, in fact, I'd even say exponentially. It's that wide a gap. Needless to say, being the smartest guy on the planet would certainly help you in any combat situation; especially when you have all of the feats and levels mentioned in this post

Fine, you want to play that way?

Let's go back to your first point: Ozy has faster hand speed.

Depends what you mean by faster hand speed. Catching speed? Yeah, Ozy can catch things faster with his hand. But faster punching speed? Winter Soldier has feats showing him striking faster than Ozy. You could ask for proof, but honestly all you need to do is watch their fight scenes.

What say you now?

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Originally posted by Raisen
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Originally posted by FrothByte
Fine, you want to play that way?

Let's go back to your first point: Ozy has faster hand speed.

Depends what you mean by faster hand speed. Catching speed? Yeah, Ozy can catch things faster with his hand. But faster punching speed? Winter Soldier has feats showing him striking faster than Ozy. You could ask for proof, but honestly all you need to do is watch their fight scenes.

What say you now?

What say me now? His hand speed has nothing to do with catching or punching. I said arm movement. That is Ozy, period end of story. In any regard in any way you want to move your arm, Ozy by proxy should and would move his arm faster. You can't get around the fact that, Ozy has displayed vastly superior arm movement and reactions. You can close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears, and go no no no he wasn't punching. Which again, is totally faulty and illogical thinking. If you Ozy can move his arm vastly faster than anything Bucky has ever displayed doing anything, then how on earth can that mean Bucky is superior in anything arm movement related? Yeah, can't get behind that assbackwards logic. Are you saying Ozy arm movement isn't faster than Bucky? That was my question.

Originally posted by Raisen
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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What say me now? His hand speed has nothing to do with catching or punching. I said arm movement. That is Ozy, period end of story. In any regard in any way you want to move your arm, Ozy by proxy should and would move his arm faster. You can't get around the fact that, Ozy has displayed vastly superior arm movement and reactions. You can close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears, and go no no no he wasn't punching. Which again, is totally faulty and illogical thinking. If you Ozy can move his arm vastly faster than anything Bucky has ever displayed doing anything, then how on earth can that mean Bucky is superior in anything arm movement related? Yeah, can't get behind that assbackwards logic. Are you saying Ozy arm movement isn't faster than Bucky? That was my question.

So you think that simply moving your arm from point A to point B is what makes a proper punch?

There you go again showing how little you know about actual fighting. You seem to be under the impression that a punch only includes arm movement. What a joke.

Anyway to answer your question: Ozy has faster hand movement in a none fighting context. Bucky has faster arm movement in a fighting context. Also, punches include way more than just hand movement. That is a fact. There, I've refuted your points. Now watch as you do your best to ignore my points and insist on yours.

Where is Ozy's bullet timing feats?

Originally posted by FrothByte
So you think that simply moving your arm from point A to point B is what makes a proper punch?

There you go again showing how little you know about actual fighting. You seem to be under the impression that a punch only includes arm movement. What a joke.

Anyway to answer your question: Ozy has faster hand movement in a none fighting context. Bucky has faster arm movement in a fighting context. Also, punches include way more than just hand movement. That is a fact. There, I've refuted your points. Now watch as you do your best to ignore my points and insist on yours.

You refuted nothing, you just went full clownshoes mode man. That wasn't refuting, and I can't actually believe you think you did. Think for one second for God's sake. Jesus Froth this isn't hard. We aren't talking about somebody who's a noob at fighting, who couldn't beat his way out of a wet paper bag like Quan. I mean are you intentionally being this dense?

Ozy has clearly and without question demonstrated he is very skilled in h2h combat. He's illustrated without question he knows how to punch and powerfully at that. He's not some dweeb who's only moved his arm fast to catch a bullet, yet never punched in his life. Damn man, do I really need to point out the obvious like this? Your point has been completely destroyed. Ozy knows how to punch, and punch well. So if he can move his arm vastly faster than Bucky, and we know he's skilled in h2h combat and can punch; how the f can you come to the conclusion Bucky can punch faster? That is just terrible deductive logic there. Don't go full Quan mode on me, which is a few steps further than full clownshoes mode. So again, who has faster arm movement Ozy or Bucky? Then move onto the next question, or let me guess you're going to say I'm wrong there to AMIRITE?

Go ahead and post a clip of Ozy fighting at bullet-time speed.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Where is Ozy's bullet timing feats?

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Not seen Watchmen in a while, but was he not dodging bullets in slow motion when that "assassin" came for him?

While ducking behind the people he hated for cover.

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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You refuted nothing, you just went full clownshoes mode man. That wasn't refuting, and I can't actually believe you think you did. Think for one second for God's sake. Jesus Froth this isn't hard. We aren't talking about somebody who's a noob at fighting, who couldn't beat his way out of a wet paper bag like Quan. I mean are you intentionally being this dense?

Ozy has clearly and without question demonstrated he is very skilled in h2h combat. He's illustrated without question he knows how to punch and powerfully at that. He's not some dweeb who's only moved his arm fast to catch a bullet, yet never punched in his life. Damn man, do I really need to point out the obvious like this? Your point has been completely destroyed. Ozy knows how to punch, and punch well. So if he can move his arm vastly faster than Bucky, and we know he's skilled in h2h combat and can punch; how the f can you come to the conclusion Bucky can punch faster? That is just terrible deductive logic there. Don't go full Quan mode on me, which is a few steps further than full clownshoes mode. So again, who has faster arm movement Ozy or Bucky? Then move onto the next question, or let me guess you're going to say I'm wrong there to AMIRITE?

You see and this is why it's impossible to debate with you. You refuse to acknowledge anyone else's point except your own.

Fact 1: Punching speed has a lot more going for it than simple hand movement
Fact 2: Ozy has never shown punching speed as fast as WS.

The rational person would then conclude that WS is a faster puncher than Ozy is until such time that Ozy has feats to prove otherwise.

But you, you would stick to Ozy's catching feat, claim that hand movement is all that is needed to punch and then incorrectly conclude that that therefore gives Ozy faster punching speed.

I've refuted your argument. Now you're just proving me right: That people have refuted your points over and over and all you do is close your eyes, stick fingers in your ears and continue to repeat your argument.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You see and this is why it's impossible to debate with you. You refuse to acknowledge anyone else's point except your own.

Fact 1: Punching speed has a lot more going for it than simple hand movement
Fact 2: Ozy has never shown punching speed as fast as WS.

The rational person would then conclude that WS is a faster puncher than Ozy is until such time that Ozy has feats to prove otherwise.

But you, you would stick to Ozy's catching feat, claim that hand movement is all that is needed to punch and then incorrectly conclude that that therefore gives Ozy faster punching speed.

I've refuted your argument. Now you're just proving me right: That people have refuted your points over and over and all you do is close your eyes, stick fingers in your ears and continue to repeat your argument.

That isn't refuting Froth, and it's a piss poor response to be honest. The only way you could claim Ozy couldn't punch faster than Bucky, is if Ozy wasn't adept at punching people or had punch people. Then I could say, yeah he wouldn't be as fast or as decisive because he doesn't know how to punch or fight and PROEPERLY use said speed. Difference here is, Ozy absolutely knows how to punch and punch well. He knows exactly what goes into a punch, and better than Bucky based on skill level. Yet you're still going to go... yeah... bucky can punch faster. That is totally illogical. Not one person besides Rage Mode had even backed up your stance. They also know it defies logic and common sense.

Further, even if we go under the guise of he can't punch as fast as he can move his arm to catch a bullet. It's not quite as fast. I don't have much of an issue, because there is more involved. However, thanks to his arm being able to move faster than Bucky's, he can be slower than those speeds and still be faster than Bucky. Which again, is why it's so perplexing to see your made the statements you did. Further, even if you wrongly believe Ozy can punch faster, he'd still be able to move his arm up to block punches vastly faster than Bucky can even throw them. So how exactly is Bucky landing more than Ozy? Inhuman thinks WS wins, and he's said so. We've gone back and forth on this who wins. He even admits Ozy a speed advantage over WS. Yet here, you won't even admit that. Yet you claim it's hard talking with me? Please. You already admitted Ozy had faster arm movement, then because you know my next statement was undoubtedly true, and that would make 2/2 points that weren't refuted so far, after you claimed all of mine were. So you then changed your stance once you realized you were eating your words about all my points being refuted.

Let me ask you, when you see Ozy simply quickly turning around to deal with Nite-Owl before throwing the chair :21
What was with the swooshing noise just from him turning around. Let me guess , that couldn't have been a noise to indicate fast movement, the director just wanted a swoosh sound as he's moving for fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbnGA8uu8T0

I'm still waiting for an answer to my next question.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
While ducking behind the people he hated for cover.

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Yet still moving so fast than a trained expert assassin couldn't hit him. Doesn't matter who he was moving behind. Too bad for them. He avoided the fire.

Pointing out that WS has faster punching feats is refuting your claim that Ozy punches faster.

That is how debates work, we compare feats and the best one wins.

Kt is borderline retarded at his point, I think he just likes to be the pony in the show and get rode into the ground.