Originally posted by Sin I AM
No. I ignored Nu Adams showings because it aint enough. I give old adam an edge in stats against both combatants individually but combined? No they are two much.
Well you actually didn't provide evidence as to why their combined speed would somehow overwhelm him, but I guess that is what you are about to do now so okay..
Originally posted by Surtur
Well you actually didn't provide evidence as to why their combined speed would somehow overwhelm him, but I guess that is what you are about to do now so okay..
I'd rather someone bring up a speed feat for Post-FP Black Adam so I could see why he's being suggested as undoubtedly faster.
I feel like this is more name value then what's on paper.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, for some reason it didn't post.He caught that speedster who had Billy's speed.
He blitzed Ultraman from Kahndaq (who had been amped, IIRC. Was too fast for him to react to).
He blitzed a Pale Bishop, who is a Guardian of Oa in disguise.
That's it.
Do the Pale Bishop or Guardians for that matter have any speed feats?
Billy was pretty featless at that point and had no control over his powers same with the kids he gave them to. He couldn't even transfer the powers correctly, even then Teth seems to have had trouble Tagging her.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_UaE64e0Pnc/Uwnx9KhmIDI/AAAAAAAAoNM/MRsxooBngaQ/s1600/p21_11.jpg
I don't understand how your calling the Ultraman thing a blitz yet the Throne of Atlantis instances arent.
For comparison purposes Teth wasn't really even focused on at that point Grid was speaking to Ultraman that something was coming his way and at that point Teth could of been right outside the building and Ultraman said I'll deal with the problem when I'm done here turning back his focus on Lois
http://i.imgur.com/2JE5DEM.jpg?1
In comes Adam in the next panel. Chest lightning doing diddly squat to Ultraman now that I just noticed
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQIyFfSwGrHRAxjQsYtM0KrndfWN9GfhiP55W_LRtCldzDlcnFP
Compared to where Aquaman and the Atlanteans are actually being focused on, keep in mind Superman is behind Wonder Woman, and if you suggest Superman was focusing on Batman his exact words was "what was that" in response to what he hit Arthur and Orm with even then before Aquaman hit Superman he spoke so that should of turned the focus even moreso back to him
http://i.imgur.com/HufeNvL.jpg
Here we get to see Wonder Woman confronted Arthur second panel when he's charging at her she looks like she's bracing herself and then Arthur turns into an orange blur third panel with the 4th panel having his hand around her neck.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5c2qkuGd708/UwnqybykAqI/AAAAAAAAn9o/qDrP65rqG1M/s1600/p16_5.jpg
5 pages later from the scene Aquaman punched Superman he comes back asking where's Batman and Wonder Woman tells him. Superman asking where's Batman shows he was gone for awhile.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yFVhrAwwyWU/Uwnqn66b7UI/AAAAAAAAn64/IGDKwwfdJlg/s1600/p16_10.jpg
In regards to speed comparison I doubt Teth is faster by feats atleast, I'm also doubting his chest lightning as well which seems to have hit Ultraman. Ultraman doesn't have magic resistance as shown as when Black Adam yelled "Shazam" it seemed to really screw him up. Shazam in Forever Evil under bloodlust because of Pandoras box yelled Shazam and it didn't have any effect similar to Frankenstien who grappled with Aquaman or Deadman similar to what it had with Ultraman.
Same writer in all of these instances and even then goes back to Strongest people on Earth statement.
Originally posted by Surtur
Well you actually didn't provide evidence as to why their combined speed would somehow overwhelm him, but I guess that is what you are about to do now so okay..
Speed had nothing to do with it. I NEVER factor in speed unless a character uses it a majority of the time (a flash, qs, viltrumite). Flying bricks like adam dont use it and i hate debating characters out of character.
Imo their combined strength and the fact that its two of them both with decent damage soak should suffice. Adam is a brawler after all
Here's the scan of Ultraman taking Teth's chest lightning just fine as well as the blitz from Teth when Ultraman wasn't even focused on him.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116426/3406262-3399964-jl1.png
Here's the scan prior to that showing that Ultraman was focused on Lois Lane
http://i.imgur.com/2JE5DEM.jpg?1
Here's a scan showing Ultraman has no magic resistance
https://p.dreamwidth.org/7ce3589da328/-/abload.de/img/foreverevil3-2rtihm.jpg
I'd honestly say Aquaman takes this himself.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Speed had nothing to do with it. I NEVER factor in speed unless a character uses it a majority of the time (a flash, qs, viltrumite). Flying bricks like adam dont use it and i hate debating characters out of character.Imo their combined strength and the fact that its two of them both with decent damage soak should suffice. Adam is a brawler after all
Can you give me a legit explanation as to why you think Black Adam would allow himself to get beat to death or beat unconscious if he had a way to avoid it? I just don't get it. I can somewhat see you saying he won't resort to it right away. But neither of his opponents can one shot him, so I just don't see why during the long process of him getting beat unconscious he would not..move out of the way?
Originally posted by Surtur
Can you give me a legit explanation as to why you think Black Adam would allow himself to get beat to death or beat unconscious if he had a way to avoid it? I just don't get it. I can somewhat see you saying he won't resort to it right away. But neither of his opponents can one shot him, so I just don't see why during the long process of him getting beat unconscious he would not..move out of the way?
Well Teth still has yet to show he has any speed advantage, unless you want to show me where it is. I already compared speed showings if you want to look through my post.
Aquaman's trident would decapitate him but if we suggest he avoids it this entire time I guess there's that would be pretty hard to do with Namor there as well though.
Then there's the fact that Teth cant oneshot either as well and I've finally been able to address his chest lightning.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That was what I was relying on.His first appearance with Billy.
His Ultraman fight
His Justice League Villains Month issue
His latest issue(s) with Sinestro, where he now has a Yellow Ring.
Unless he has a lot of feats with the yellow ring, I dunno, I think the team of two has a chance.
Originally posted by carver9
But you do it though. That's how you primarily debate.
lol, pot and kettle much?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Pr will make you a mod for saying this.
Lol its the truth at this point though I don't get why people are saying Adam. I've yet to see anything brought up that I haven't addressed
Chest Lightning did nothing to Ultraman.
Speed he was struggling to catch someone with no feats and finally anticipated where she'd appear as well as pretty much snuck up on Ultraman with that blitz.
Originally posted by Genii96
and I doubt adam hits harder than the hulk or a strike from mjonir,both of which namor has taken just fine. He has beaten a speedster in the past as well.
Namor is dead right? Decapitated by Hyperion's heat vision. Adam did defeat a Gaurdian of OA. Strong enough to push half a moon. Ultraman is equal to a Sun dipped Superman after all.
Originally posted by joesha28
Namor is dead right? Decapitated by Hyperion's heat vision. Adam did defeat a Gaurdian of OA. Strong enough to push half a moon. Ultraman is equal to a Sun dipped Superman after all.
Yea,he beat the pale bishop centuries ago,but judging from its fights I doubt its as strong as an actual guardian,not to mention when adam fought it with sinestro,he mentioned it getting stronger,meaning it was even weaker than its current display.
I don't hold losing to ultraman against black adam,not in the least
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Lol its the truth at this point though I don't get why people are saying Adam. I've yet to see anything brought up that I haven't addressedChest Lightning did nothing to Ultraman.
Speed he was struggling to catch someone with no feats and finally anticipated where she'd appear as well as pretty much snuck up on Ultraman with that blitz.
You think chest lightning wouldn't hurt Aquaman?
