Originally posted by EcstaticGraceABC logic would be stating that Adam could do everything that Jay could do simply because he kept up with him
Wouldn't this be considered ABC logic if we use this based on the previous user?Regardless Aquaman's reacted to a running Barry and kept up with a running Wally as well as percieved thr movements of a Wally clone suggesting those are invalid and Adam's/Teth feat is would kinda be a bit biast, wouldn't it?
That being said
I generally agree that character A hitting or fighting character B doesn't make character A as fast as character B. In fact we know for a fact that Jay is faster as he's run circles around Adam before and Adam was forced to use AOE attacks on him.
So, if we take Jay entirely out of the equation, we know that Adam, without Jay having any relevance, can fight at the speed of "lightning" 1/3 the speed of light and can move so fast that time seems slow around him.
Maybe, just MAYBE Aquaman and Namor can move at those speeds...while underwater...but I need to see them being able to move at those speeds on land for them to be able to content with Adam here.
Originally posted by RadZoa
ABC logic would be stating that Adam could do everything that Jay could do simply because he kept up with himThat being said
I generally agree that character A hitting or fighting character B doesn't make character A as fast as character B. In fact we know for a fact that Jay is faster as he's run circles around Adam before and Adam was forced to use AOE attacks on him.
So, if we take Jay entirely out of the equation, we know that Adam, without Jay having any relevance, can fight at the speed of "lightning" 1/3 the speed of light and can move so fast that time seems slow around him.
Maybe, just MAYBE Aquaman and Namor can move at those speeds...while underwater...but I need to see them being able to move at those speeds on land for them to being able to content with Adam here.
Writer statements have Aquaman being faster on land due to the pressure of water being off him when he's in air.
I agree that hitting someone doesn't make you as fast them as well to though
Faster on land
Suprsises a running Barry Allen
http://i.imgur.com/BUkMAOm.jpg
Reflexively forms a fist at a running Barry Allen
Notices a Wally clone's movements while engaged in his own fight
http://i.imgur.com/oap7u7w.jpg
Keeping up with Speedsters
Dodges a blow from Timmorn
Takes from this thread.
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forum...thread-1774986/
Hitting Superman and Charging Wonder Woman also was done with leg movement solely I challenge anyone to show me something after the Silver Age to suggest he's faster on Water then on land.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I really don't get the speed issue in all honesty the only thing brought up is the Jay Garrick thing as of now and to discredit stuff I mentioned the characters in the scans at the time werent using their full speed capabilities yet Jay is in the one scan.Faster on land
Suprsises a running Barry Allen
http://i.imgur.com/BUkMAOm.jpg
Reflexively forms a fist at a running Barry Allen
Notices a Wally clone's movements while engaged in his own fight
http://i.imgur.com/oap7u7w.jpg
Keeping up with Speedsters
Dodges a blow from Timmorn
Takes from this thread.
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/aquaman-189/arthur-curry-aka-aquaman-composite-respect-thread-1774986/
I know how fast Arthur's reflexes are; I just think Adam is faster to the point that it can cause issues for him.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I know how fast Arthur's reflexes are; I just think Adam is faster to the point that it can cause issues for him.
I honestly believe his reflexes should keep him able to contend and negate the speed thing. He's a skilled fighter with insane reflex feats.
If this is all Post-Flashpoint versions for DC I honestly think Aquaman beats him unless he uses the stone thing which honestly I see no counter to at this point. Teth hasn't done anything in this continuity in my personal opinion to have me suggest he's physically faster then Aquaman in a combat standpoint. I'd probably argue he isn't stronger either depending on how much weight we put into the idea of him and Parralax Sinestro readjusting the moon. Even then Aquaman has great and pretty consistent durability in this timeline.
If it's Pre-Flashpoint versions I'd agree Adam is faster in terms of travel speed on land and stronger but not in the sense he will one shot Aquaman or Aquaman can't harm him back or react to him. I'd still side Aquaman because of Telepathy. I know WW3 will be brought up but for that was J'onn Probing Black Adam in a different state. Probing involves checking the conscious or looking inside the thought stream of the mind which is located in the frontal lobe. Aquaman's Seizure trick attacks the Basal Ganglia which isn't located in the frontal lobe. I also believe Probing and Telepathic Assualt to be different but that could be debated.
I think Aquaman's being underrated in terms of physicals but it depends on what I guess people think are valid instances and nonvalid
Composite I'd say TP win.
Water Hand Aquaman negates magic.
I heard Pre-Flashpoint Aquaman's trident negated magic as well but I've yet to see it so take that as you will.
Originally posted by -Pr-
And I just realised I don't know what versions are being argued 😖
I originally came in here thinking current yeah but I've been confused most of the thread on that.
I'm wiling to say Black Adam if New52 if we consider the stone thing on the table which it probably doesn't get used against named characters for plot reasons.
Composite or Pre-Flashpoint I'd argue Aquaman tp's him.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I originally came in here thinking current yeah but I've been confused most of the thread on that.I'm wiling to say Black Adam if New52 if we consider the stone thing on the table which it probably doesn't get used against named characters for plot reasons.
Composite or Pre-Flashpoint I'd argue Aquaman tp's him.
Originally posted by -Pr-
And I just realised I don't know what versions are being argued 😖
Originally posted by Genii96
Yea, I am wondering which one is being used,and yea,I am in Nigeria
For sure, DCnU Aquaman in my head, current Namor, and DCnU BA.
Radzoa and others were using DCU BA, presumably because they felt more comfortable, or, in Sin's case, she didn't think DCnU BA had enough feats.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't know shit about N52 Adam, bar his couple of appearances in JL's side story and fighting Ultraman, so not gonna try.
That was what I was relying on.
His first appearance with Billy.
His Ultraman fight
His Justice League Villains Month issue
His latest issue(s) with Sinestro, where he now has a Yellow Ring.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That was what I was relying on.His first appearance with Billy.
His Ultraman fight
His Justice League Villains Month issue
His latest issue(s) with Sinestro, where he now has a Yellow Ring.
Which to me doesnt seem like a whole lot. I think people are doing alot of lip service for how they want adam to be portrayed as opposed to what's actually on paper.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Which to me doesnt seem like a whole lot. I think people are doing alot of lip service for how they want adam to be portrayed as opposed to what's actually on paper.
Okay but you also quite literally ignored things that are also on paper in this thread when it comes to pre Nu Adams speed.
Originally posted by Surtur
Okay but you also quite literally ignored things that are also on paper in this thread when it comes to pre Nu Adams speed.
No. I ignored Nu Adams showings because it aint enough. I give old adam an edge in stats against both combatants individually but combined? No they are two much.
