Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Here's the scan of Ultraman taking Teth's chest lightning just fine as well as the blitz from Teth when Ultraman wasn't even focused on him.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116426/3406262-3399964-jl1.png
Here's the scan prior to that showing that Ultraman was focused on Lois Lane
http://i.imgur.com/2JE5DEM.jpg?1Here's a scan showing Ultraman has no magic resistance
https://p.dreamwidth.org/7ce3589da328/-/abload.de/img/foreverevil3-2rtihm.jpgI'd honestly say Aquaman takes this himself.
Wait, your argument for Aquaman tanking the lightning is because Ultraman tanked it? An amped Ultraman, fresh off snorting K-nite and with no Sun?
OK.
Whereas we have plenty of occurrences of electricity harming Aquaman:
http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4061745-aquaman+%282011-%29+034-003.jpg
Magical lightning. Aquaman has his trident (note panel 1, scan 1 - he's literally being tossed around):
http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2894509-justiceleague_17_thegroup_009.jpg
http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2894513-justiceleague_17_thegroup_010.jpg
And again - this time, it's not purple lightning, so I'm gonna say it's normal lightning.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111117653/3738753-2041804435-28728.jpg
Again, note his trident. So I am going to have to see proof positive that his trident DOES protect him against lightning, or even that his natural abilities can, because I haven't seen any proof that AQUAMAN himself can even tank it. I've seen Franky, I've seen Ultraman, but not Aquaman.
For Genii:
Originally posted by Genii96
Not showing on my phone,can you link it?.....dosent really matter,nnamor broke the bands himself,THAT KO'd strange
Here you go. Namor's struggling caused a psychic backlash, NOT a mystical backlash, which distressed Strange to the point that he couldn't take anymore. Further struggling then caused it again, which KOd Strange, breaking the bands.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2396561-crimson_bands_vs_namor.gif
Originally posted by -Pr-
You think chest lightning wouldn't hurt Aquaman?
I think Chest lightning with no feats to suggest it could hurt Aquaman would hurt him.
He took the same lightning that kod Superman and Wonder Woman when Orm called down lightning from the sky. I'm not sure if Arthur is KO'd in the next panel but he doesn't look any worse then Clark or Diana.
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/superman-and-wonder-woman-vs-ocean-master-3.jpg
By power scaling if we can say his lightning resistance is on par with those two because he took the same lightning and was left in the same condition it would mean this.
Superman and Wonder Woman taking Major Disasters lightning
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4231193-superman-wonder+woman+(2013-)+013-020.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/75182/4295618-1596386481-SMWW1.jpg
Superman taking 10 gilgowats of static
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111124701/3494717-oceanmasterlightening1.jpg
Not all lightning is the same in power, lightning has different voltage and destructive capability depending on the bolt there's a reason we have measurements like gilgowats and volts. We can't say one instance of lightning is comparable to another what we should go on is what the lightning is being shown capable of doing and as far as feats the chest lightning hasn't done anything noteworthy to bother the 2 Atlanteans.
Going further in the no all lightning is comparable to different sets of lightning is like comparing Magma to the Sun because it's heat, or a ice cube to absolute zero because it's cold.
By that logic Mr. Freeze has as much power output as Captain Cold's and Iceman.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, your argument for Aquaman tanking the lightning is because Ultraman tanked it? An amped Ultraman, fresh off snorting K-nite and with no Sun?OK.
Whereas we have plenty of occurrences of electricity harming Aquaman:
http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4061745-aquaman+%282011-%29+034-003.jpgMagical lightning. Aquaman has his trident (note panel 1, scan 1 - he's literally being tossed around):
http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2894509-justiceleague_17_thegroup_009.jpg
http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2894513-justiceleague_17_thegroup_010.jpgAnd again - this time, it's not purple lightning, so I'm gonna say it's normal lightning.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111117653/3738753-2041804435-28728.jpgAgain, note his trident. So I am going to have to see proof positive that his trident DOES protect him against lightning, or even that his natural abilities can, because I haven't seen any proof that AQUAMAN himself can even tank it. I've seen Franky, I've seen Ultraman, but not Aquaman.
For Genii:
Here you go. Namor's struggling caused a psychic backlash, NOT a mystical backlash, which distressed Strange to the point that he couldn't take anymore. Further struggling then caused it again, which KOd Strange, breaking the bands.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2396561-crimson_bands_vs_namor.gif
My proof was that Ultraman isn't immune to magic we see him badly harmed by yelling "Shazam" whereas the chest lightning did nothing to him after beating up Teth he had to recharge so who knows how much kryptonite he even needed at the time.
Saying that the sun isn't out so Ultraman is amped is the equivalent of suggesting Superman is amped because we don't have a red sun that's pretty standard in Power levels.
Your lightning examples are pretty much irrelevant because those are feats for other characters.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I think Chest lightning with no feats to suggest it could hurt Aquaman would hurt him.He took the same lightning that kod Superman and Wonder Woman when Orm called down lightning from the sky. I'm not sure if Arthur is KO'd in the next panel but he doesn't look any worse then Clark or Diana.
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/superman-and-wonder-woman-vs-ocean-master-3.jpg
By power scaling if we can say his lightning resistance is on par with those two because he took the same lightning and was left in the same condition it would mean this.
Superman and Wonder Woman taking Major Disasters lightning
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4231193-superman-wonder+woman+(2013-)+013-020.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/75182/4295618-1596386481-SMWW1.jpgSuperman taking 10 gilgowats of static
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111124701/3494717-oceanmasterlightening1.jpg
Not all lightning is the same in power, lightning has different voltage and destructive capability depending on the bolt there's a reason we have measurements like gilgowats and volts. We can't say one instance of lightning is comparable to another what we should go on is what the lightning is being shown capable of doing and as far as feats the chest lightning hasn't done anything noteworthy to bother the 2 Atlanteans.
Going further in the no all lightning is comparable to different sets of lightning is like comparing Magma to the Sun because it's heat, or a ice cube to absolute zero because it's cold.
By that logic Mr. Freeze has as much power output as Captain Cold's and Iceman.
Not quite. Lightning is lightning - it's like comparing an ice cube to a glacier - they are both at 0 degrees Celsius. For lightning to exist, there is a minimum threshold it has to be at:
http://www.sciencemadesimple.co.uk/activity-blogs/lightning
I've shown that a random villain with electric eel capabilities was able to disable Aquaman. Eels produce voltages and amperes FAR lower than the weakest lightning bolt:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_eel
Even IF we are kind, and scale up to 100x an electric eel, or even 1000 times, that's still pretty low.
You kept asking for feats of BA's lightning. We know that lightning has a minimum amount of energy - but on the flipside, we have ZERO feats of Aquaman even tanking ANY electricity. See the double standard?
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I think Chest lightning with no feats to suggest it could hurt Aquaman would hurt him.He took the same lightning that kod Superman and Wonder Woman when Orm called down lightning from the sky. I'm not sure if Arthur is KO'd in the next panel but he doesn't look any worse then Clark or Diana.
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/superman-and-wonder-woman-vs-ocean-master-3.jpg
By power scaling if we can say his lightning resistance is on par with those two because he took the same lightning and was left in the same condition it would mean this.
Superman and Wonder Woman taking Major Disasters lightning
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4231193-superman-wonder+woman+(2013-)+013-020.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/75182/4295618-1596386481-SMWW1.jpgSuperman taking 10 gilgowats of static
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111124701/3494717-oceanmasterlightening1.jpg
Not all lightning is the same in power, lightning has different voltage and destructive capability depending on the bolt there's a reason we have measurements like gilgowats and volts. We can't say one instance of lightning is comparable to another what we should go on is what the lightning is being shown capable of doing and as far as feats the chest lightning hasn't done anything noteworthy to bother the 2 Atlanteans.
Going further in the no all lightning is comparable to different sets of lightning is like comparing Magma to the Sun because it's heat, or a ice cube to absolute zero because it's cold.
By that logic Mr. Freeze has as much power output as Captain Cold's and Iceman.
I wasn't aware Adam's lightning in the new 52 had no feats. Bleh.
I would worry about trying to lump in Aquaman with Clark and Diana as far as durability goes. That can get murky pretty quickly.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not quite. Lightning is lightning - it's like comparing an ice cube to a glacier - they are both at 0 degrees Celsius. For lightning to exist, there is a minimum threshold it has to be at:
http://www.sciencemadesimple.co.uk/activity-blogs/lightningI've shown that a random villain with electric eel capabilities was able to disable Aquaman. Eels produce voltages and amperes FAR lower than the weakest lightning bolt:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_eelEven IF we are kind, and scale up to 100x an electric eel, or even 1000 times, that's still pretty low.
You kept asking for feats of BA's lightning. We know that lightning has a minimum amount of energy - but on the flipside, we have ZERO feats of Aquaman even tanking ANY electricity. See the double standard?
Different lightning has different voltage not all lightning is the same in electrical output and damage capabilities theres a reason why some lightning bolts are fatal while others have a high survivability rate to even burns
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2894507-justiceleague_17_thegroup_008.jpg
We see Aquaman take lightning without being KO'D in a later instance all you showed is lightning hurting Aquaman it's not really putting him down is it.
Your aware voltage gets higher by the amount of distance traveled right? There's instances where Thor electrocuted Spiderman with lightning and then there's instances where he hurts skyfathers your not really suggesting those are the same are you because there both lightning?
It's being a bit generous..
Lol and Chimera has better feats then probably Aquaman the guy your calling a random villain.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Different lightning has different voltage not all lightning is the same in electrical output and damage capabilities theres a reason why some lightning bolts are fatal while others are have a high survivability rate to burnshttp://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2894507-justiceleague_17_thegroup_008.jpg
We see Aquaman take lightning without being KO'D in a later instance all you showed is lightning hurting Aquaman it's not really putting him down is it.
Your aware voltage gets higher by the amount of distance traveled right? There's instances where Thor electrocuted Spiderman with lightning and then there's instances where he hurts skyfathers your not really suggesting those are the same are you because there both lightning?
It's being a bit generous..
Lol and Chimera has better feats then probably Aquaman the guy your calling a random villain.
You can get ice at 0 degrees. You can also get ice at -5 degrees. -10. -50, etc etc. Sure, they are all at different levels - but for it to be ice in the first place, there is a minimum temperature.
You can get lightning at X. X+. X++. Of course, they are all not the same. BUT, there is a minimum level for it to be lightning.
And Aquaman has not shown any resistance to even a minimum. That's IF we lowball BA, and assume it is low.
Incidentally, BA wasn't directly attacking Ultraman with his chest lightning in the scan, not in the same manner. He's just surrounded by energy as he's attacking him.
I called Chimaera a random villain, as we never saw him again after that (but was a nice shoutout to the pre-52 villain!)
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True, they have different voltages/amps (and it's the amps that are dangerous, not the volts, btw) My point was that there is a MINIMUM level for lightning - which Aquaman has not shown any feats of resisting (and that's IF we are generous, and assume BA's lightning is the minimum level possible).You can get ice at 0 degrees. You can also get ice at -5 degrees. -10. -50, etc etc. Sure, they are all at different levels - but for it to be ice in the first place, there is a minimum temperature.
You can get lightning at X. X+. X++. Of course, they are all not the same. BUT, there is a minimum level for it to be lightning.
And Aquaman has not shown any resistance to even a minimum. That's IF we lowball BA, and assume it is low.
Incidentally, BA wasn't directly attacking Ultraman with his chest lightning in the scan, not in the same manner. He's just surrounded by energy as he's attacking him.
I called Chimaera a random villain, as we never saw him again after that (but was a nice shoutout to the pre-52 villain!)
To be honest though by text book definition the chest lightning Black Adam uses isn't even lightning. Lightning is what appears from cloud to ground it comes from the sky. The definition of what appears in Black Adam's chest would be electricty.
It's not lowballing Black Adam you've honestly not presented any electrical feats from the chest that's hurt anyone notable. Am I suppose to suggest it's going to hurt him because it hurt a bunch of humans with no feats what so ever and then the next notable time I can think of it does absolutely nothing to someone more durable.
The fact that we have scans of Spiderman taking electrical attacks from Thor and instances from Thor harming skyfathers shows the potential difference in comics. Heck we have Batman being hit by scepter electricity and then Orm calling humans fragile should tell the difference.
Chimera harming Arthur suggest he's capable of doing so the next panel he's still conscious and this is underwater
Orm hits Arthur with sky lightning and Arthur is still fine, Orm shoots him with Electrical attacks Arthur is still conscious.
Thunderstorm clouds also can hold 100 million volts of electricty. Volts can also be measured in o to the decimal.
Resistance or not Teth hasn't shown electrical output required to even harm Aquaman let alone put down. Then there's conveniently Namor here who could absorb lightning if we use all feats that happened 616.
Chimera was created from a sea creature that night selled Aquaman's biggest punch that's saying something considering the characters he's punched not to mention am electrical discharge at sea..
👆 Fair enough, I can see that we will be going around in circles; fair play to you (and will watch your KMC career with interest).
You've made your points clearly, and whilst I remain unconvinced, I will bow out before it gets nasty (not that it will, but one never knows).
And will return if someone makes an off-post (like carver and his 'Franky beat BA' post).
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Well Teth still has yet to show he has any speed advantage, unless you want to show me where it is. I already compared speed showings if you want to look through my post.
I didn't really see you show anything to suggest that Aquaman could keep up when Adam goes into speed mode. The feats you posted were very meh..we have Black Adam literally fighting Jay Garrick at super speed. There is no real ambiguity. Some of your feats were essentially "Oh shit Aquaman just popped up out of the water and Flash acts surprised".
Aquaman's trident would decapitate him but if we suggest he avoids it this entire time I guess there's that would be pretty hard to do with Namor there as well though.
Yes Namor is there too. The problem is that the speed gap is so large that...it doesn't matter.
Then there's the fact that Teth cant oneshot either as well and I've finally been able to address his chest lightning.
Okay but Adam doesn't need to one shot them. THEY need to one shot him before he remembers he has super speed.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Frank beat Adam? Is this recent?
They fought in Futures End neither was amped and its a possiblr New52 timeline so I don't see why it's not comsiderable.
I think the lightning post in comparing lightning gets into the logic that anyone Thor hurt with lightning, Static can as well or Electro can as well because. Despite them being conscious and still being able to fight in the instance they showed they can be hurt by it so Electro or Static can beat them by that logic. It's a bit generous in my opinion. Wording this again because I feel like my previous post werent well worded.
Originally posted by Surtur
I didn't really see you show anything to suggest that Aquaman could keep up when Adam goes into speed mode. The feats you posted were very meh..we have Black Adam literally fighting Jay Garrick at super speed. There is no real ambiguity. Some of your feats were essentially "Oh shit Aquaman just popped up out of the water and Flash acts surprised".Yes Namor is there too. The problem is that the speed gap is so large that...it doesn't matter.
Okay but Adam doesn't need to one shot them. THEY need to one shot him before he remembers he has super speed.
I didn't see you really suggest Black Adam is faster then Aquaman so that's pretty Nuetral I didn't even see Black Adam go into "speed mode"
I haven't seen any noticeable speed gap and youve yet to post to one. For the most part it was a random assumption and there's yet any feats to support it.
Originally posted by Surtur
There is a post showing him fighting Jay Garrick at actual super speed and then you ask me to post about noticeable speed gaps.
Fighting?
He was getting pushed back all the time. If Adam had actually connected once, the fight would've been over.
The fight looks nice on panel, I'll give you that... but I don't see anything particularly impressive about it, sorry.
