Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
They fought in Futures End neither was amped and its a possiblr New52 timeline so I don't see why it's not comsiderable.I think the lightning post in comparing lightning gets into the logic that anyone Thor hurt with lightning, Static can as well or Electro can as well because. Despite them being conscious and still being able to fight in the instance they showed they can be hurt by it so Electro or Static can beat them by that logic. It's a bit generous in my opinion. Wording this again because I feel like my previous post werent well worded.
Because BA ripped Franky's arm off:, Franky ran from him, AND it's a future timeline that has no bearing on current DCnU (at least, on this forum).
We don't consider POSSIBLE futures.
Originally posted by Surtur
The point is it wasn't like Adam was missing by a mile. They were having a high speed fight.
I'm sure he has displayed at least some degree of metahuman speed here, no arguing that.
But is that speed enough to be a match for that of Aquaman and Namor? Maybe yes. Maybe not.
Arthur and Namor aren't featless in the speed department. Especially Namor isn't, who has his whole 616 history of feats intact.
Originally posted by Surtur
I said they were fighting at super speed. I'm not sure how I'm wrong about that. Yes, they are dodging each others hits. The point is they are fighting at super speed.The point is it wasn't like Adam was missing by a mile. They were having a high speed fight.
Aquaman has showings to Reflexively react to speedsters and just the same has been compared to as lightning I don't see Teth using speed to be to big of a problem if we're also including Pre52 showings. Hell Pre52 Aquaman dropped a speedster by the name of Zum
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'm sure he has displayed at least some degree of metahuman speed here, no arguing that.But is that speed enough to be a match for that of Aquaman and Namor? Maybe yes. Maybe not.
Arthur and Namor aren't featless in the speed department. Especially Namor isn't, who has his whole 616 history of feats intact.
Nobody ever said they were featless. Just that the feats they have just aren't as impressive. The speed needed to have some kind of sustained fight at super speed with Jay Garrick is a good deal above anything Namor or Aquaman show on a consistent basis. Especially when most of their shit is vague PIS filled stuff. It's not really the same to me.
Yes, both Arthur and Namor have speed and reflexes beyond normal. But they don't come close to Black Adam or Jay Garrick or Superman or any of those people.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because BA ripped Franky's arm off:, Franky ran from him, AND it's a future timeline that has no bearing on current DCnU (at least, on this forum).We don't consider POSSIBLE futures.
Keep in mind Frankenstien is a zombie his body is stitched together so it's not to suprising his durability isn't on par with his strength. Not to mention pulling in two different directions
He was strong enough to grapple is my point in the fight he showed he could grapple as well as hurt Teth with a kick or punch.
Originally posted by Surtur
Nobody ever said they were featless. Just that the feats they have just aren't as impressive. The speed needed to have some kind of sustained fight at super speed with Jay Garrick is a good deal above anything Namor or Aquaman show on a consistent basis.
How consistent is it to fight Jay regarded with Pre52 in the inclusion he gets dropped with TP.
I understand npw, you are saying if this was post crisis black adam he would lose to post crisis aquaman because that aquaman had the potent telepathy. Okay, well the problem is I think yes Aquaman does think at super speed, but I also think the problem is Black Adam could legitimately kill him before he uses his psychic powers.
Originally posted by Surtur
I understand npw, you are saying if this was post crisis black adam he would lose to post crisis aquaman because that aquaman had the potent telepathy. Okay, well the problem is I think yes Aquaman does think at super speed, but I also think the problem is Black Adam could legitimately kill him before he uses his psychic powers.
Aquaman could react is was I'm stating. He's reacted to Barry in chase of a villain, He's percieved a Wally clone, He's dropped a Martian Speedster that kept pace with Wally, He has suprised Wally on above water, He's shown to dash on top of water which requires speed, His speed on land has been suggested just the same as lightning fast, and he's been stated as faster on land so no I don't see Black Adam doing anything speed wise to him before he can tp him. If we're going to argue consistency Adam doesn't show often times that level of speed the only instance really highly showed is that Jay scan is a bit much to hinge an entire debate on one character he's kept up with at speed. When he fought J'onn in WW3 he didn't use any speed.
Speed
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Faster on land
20,000 Feet per second
Hypersonic
Faster then Atlantean torpedoes
Dodges a torpedo
Dodges a blow from Timmorn
"Their firing blind we're to small to fast for them to target"
Outspeeds an Avalanche
Running on Water
Able to catch up to a Submarine
Can trail a flying Wonder Woman
Lands a punch on Superman
Reacts to Wonder Woman
Jumps over Atlantean ship fire
Dodging lightning underwater
Notices a Wally clone's movements while engaged in his own fight
http://i.imgur.com/oap7u7w.jpg
Suprsises a running Barry Allen
http://i.imgur.com/BUkMAOm.jpg
Reflexively forms a fist at a running Barry Allen
Keeping up with Speedsters
1000 Knots
200 Knots
Brings a newborn from the bottom of the ocean to the surface before it can breathe
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fighting?He was getting pushed back all the time. If Adam had actually connected once, the fight would've been over.
The fight looks nice on panel, I'll give you that... but I don't see anything particularly impressive about it, sorry.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@SurtThrowing punches, yes... and Adam getting pushed back, that too... but where do you see Adam actually tagging Garrick?
I don't think Jay could take a punch from a character with that degree of superhuman strength.
Pretty sure Jay has survived hits from top tier bricks. Speedforce....
