Originally posted by Darth ThorOh please. Cap held back the entire time. Quit crying over the results I told ya so. Team Cap you pile of shit.
IM won until WS distracted him from finishing Cap. A WS who IM though was already down. And this all in an indoor scenario.So in no way, shape or form was it even hinted Cap has a chance against IM 1 v 1.
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Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Maybe many consider Iron Man more out of Cap's league than Thor being out of Iron Man's league. Also, Iron Man was more like a nuisance to Thor than a threat. The simple scenes of them exchanging headbutts should make that clear. Heck a double repulsor plus unibeam combination plus slam and grind to the cliff-side didn't even scratch Thor while Thor dented the armor with a headbutt. Not at all in the case of Cap vs Iron Man in Civil War
Well they shouldn't. IM with regular armor should be at around 50 ton strength. Thor is class 100, Cap is around 1 ton. So the difference between Cap and IM is about as big as the difference between IM and Thor.
So Cap matching IM makes more sense since
1.) He had help (Bucky)
2.) IM really didn't want to hurt Cap. Was in fact actively trying to avoid fighting him till the very end
3.) The fight was in very enclosed quarters in the end where IM couldn't utilize his full arsenal
4.) IM was damaged, couldn't fly and was already previously injured
Compared to the Thor fight, we only have the excuse of IM at 400% and Thor pulling his punches.
What I'm trying to say is, Cap and Bucky's fight against IM made sense. A lot more sense than the way the IM vs. Thor fight was handled.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Maybe many consider Iron Man more out of Cap's league than Thor being out of Iron Man's league. Also, Iron Man was more like a nuisance to Thor than a threat. The simple scenes of them exchanging headbutts should make that clear. Heck a double repulsor plus unibeam combination plus slam and grind to the cliff-side didn't even scratch Thor while Thor dented the armor with a headbutt. Not at all in the case of Cap vs Iron Man in Civil War
Only based on feats, Thor is clearly further out of Iron-man's tier, thus Iron-man fanboys holding that opinion just backs up my comments re: It's ok when Iron-man does it to others, but not when it happens to Iron-man.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Well they shouldn't. IM with regular armor should be at around 50 ton strength. Thor is class 100, Cap is around 1 ton. So the difference between Cap and IM is about as big as the difference between IM and Thor.So Cap matching IM makes more sense since
1.) He had help (Bucky)
2.) IM really didn't want to hurt Cap. Was in fact actively trying to avoid fighting him till the very end
3.) The fight was in very enclosed quarters in the end where IM couldn't utilize his full arsenal
4.) IM was damaged, couldn't fly and was already previously injuredCompared to the Thor fight, we only have the excuse of IM at 400% and Thor pulling his punches.
What I'm trying to say is, Cap and Bucky's fight against IM made sense. A lot more sense than the way the IM vs. Thor fight was handled.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
I dunno where you're getting your figures from. If its from the comics, its blatantly wrong. In the comics, even the cave suit had 100 ton lifting feats. And if its the movies, Iron Man arguably has better on-screen lifting feats than Thor. Thor has better striking feats either against fighting other characters or with Mjolnir. Thor is definitely much stronger than Iron Man, but not that strong that Iron Man's a gnat.
Marvel directory lists IM at 50 tons. He can get up to 100 tons by augmenting and modifying his suit (Hulkbuster for example).
The Cave suit having 100 ton strength is just ridiculous. I'd like some proof of that if possible.
Now if you're basing these on movie feats, then Cap has multiple strength and striking feats that show he can hang in with IM for a bit of time. After all, we see him punching steel all the time. Heck he traded blows with Ultron. WS hit Cap multiple times in the face with his robo arm and Cap didn't even suffer a broken nose.
So if we're going by comics, Thor is as far apart from IM as IM is from Cap. But if we're going by movies, then the differences are much smaller and you can't really complain about Cap fighting IM because Cap has had multiple strength and durability feats in the previous movies to show he can hang in there for a bit.
Basically in an indoor scenario it's 50/50 for IM vs Cap+Bucky. But outdoors IM wins against the duo pretty much every time. The film makes that pretty clear.
The Cap fans ( and the Cap hater whose jumped Wagon onto Cap 😂 ) need to stop arguing Cap can do better with baseless claims/assumptions. Your favorite character isn't automatically more powerful because you like him more.
Originally posted by EstacadoIM is strong enough to catch his arm, he just isn't fast enough.
Cap was trading blows with crappy Ultron.
The same Ultron got blown up by IM while Steve couldnt do any damage to it.IM should be able to easily catch Bucky's arm just as Spider-man did.in a non pis fight.
Spiderman is faster in hth fighting than IM is in the movies.
The Thor Vs Ironman fight has circumstances on it. Thor wasn't really 100% in that fight as he would've still been affected by the Dark Energies harnessed by Odin. Odin himself was KO harnessing Dark Energies to send Thor to Earth.
If anyone is wondering if this is canon to MCU, it is. So stop using the Thor Vs Ironman fight as to why Ironman would beat Cap and WS. Ironman would've been torn to shreds if Thor used an F5 hurricane on him. But Thor was weakened by the Dark Energy journey.
Originally posted by Darth ThorCap isn't my favorite I'm a WS guy. You're clearly biased. You're ignoring this fight which made it clear. Iron Man is more powerful whereas these two are clearly more skilled combatants. The movie made it clear. Bucky and Steve ftw. Don't be salty I was right about the outcome, loser.
Basically in an indoor scenario it's 50/50 for IM vs Cap+Bucky. But outdoors IM wins against the duo pretty much every time. The film makes that pretty clear.The Cap fans ( and the Cap hater whose jumped Wagon onto Cap 😂 ) need to stop arguing Cap can do better with baseless claims/assumptions. Your favorite character isn't automatically more powerful because you like him more.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Stark still lost though
Nah WS lost first, and the Cap lost. Fair and Square. Bucky's distraction by waking up and grabbing IM's leg only happened because of the confined space and because IM didn't finish Cap and Bucky off.
Context!
But hey if you want to ignore context and simply look at the end result, then that's cool, because that means IM stomped Hulk 😂