Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah WS lost first, and the Cap lost. Fair and Square. Bucky's distraction by waking up and grabbing IM's leg only happened because of the confined space and because IM didn't finish Cap and Bucky off.Context!
But hey if you want to ignore context and simply look at the end result, then that's cool, because that means IM stomped Hulk 😂
This is a silly thread.
Cap was fighting an Ironman that was clearly not fighting to his fullest. He didn't want to hurt Cap and was clearly enraged against Bucky.
IM didn't even break out his most advanced weaponry during the fight most likely because he was too afraid of injuring Cap due to guidance system malfunctions.
Don't get me wrong Cap did amazing against Tony. They clearly buffed him up even more for this fight.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWHe might not need to. As we saw with Tony, the armor can literally download Cap's fighting style and then react and respond accordingly. If Rhody can do that, he'll never get hit by the shield and certainly has the means to grab it out the air much like Bucky did in WS.
That's okay, but it doesn't mean he could withstand numerous strikes from Cap's indestructible shield, backed up by his superhuman strength, with no damage.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Only due to a lot of circumstance. It wasn't a straight up fight after all.
a loss is still a loss....
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah WS lost first, and the Cap lost. Fair and Square. Bucky's distraction by waking up and grabbing IM's leg only happened because of the confined space and because IM didn't finish Cap and Bucky off.Context!
But hey if you want to ignore context and simply look at the end result, then that's cool, because that means IM stomped Hulk 😂
thanks for the laughs... OKAY Quan, I see you using the "context" aargument.. Use the oscreen feats instead... When they fought at thr airport Tony bearly put a scratch on Cap... Now the closed space. Clearly things are lost in transition as well as translation for you since Cap and Bucky are a team and they work well together. Despite Tony being bloodlusted he still lost fair and square. remember Cap's own words "I can do all day".. Also you must have forgotten how Cap destroyed the ARC reactor.. Its a clear win for team Cap... Team Iron Man lost and that needs to be accepted . ahhahahahahzhahahahahahahaha... I've no idea where the ignorant stuff about Stark beating Huilk comes from and when exactly have I said that? please find the link and quote me...
hahahahahahahahahahaha..
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
a loss is still a loss....
So IM beat Hulk then right? Because a loss is a loss. Context be damned right?
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
thanks for the laughs... OKAY Quan, I see you using the "context" aargument..
You're the one actually agreeing with Quan's trolling on this 😬
I get everyone has a favorite between IM and Cap, but you should be able to have a favorite without going all fanboy saying "he's the most powerful because he's my favorite!"
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Use the oscreen feats instead...
And what feat does Cap have that puts him above IM in any category?
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
When they fought at thr airport Tony bearly put a scratch on Cap...
And what effective blow did Cap land on IM at the airport?
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Now the closed space. Clearly things are lost in transition as well as translation for you since Cap and Bucky are a team and they work well together.
Yeah they did have effective teamwork:
Cap: "Bucky RUN!"
lmao They both knew they were outgunned.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Despite Tony being bloodlusted he still lost fair and square.
Bloodlusted against Cap? LMAO
If he was bloodlusted against Cap then he would have shot down multiple missiles and rockets when he was flying up to chase Bucky. Would have avalanched Cap in.
Also how did he lose "fair and square" to Cap when he's the one who had Cap beat until Bucky distracted him? A Bucky who would be dead if IM had really wanted.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
remember Cap's own words "I can do all day"..
Have you not seen the first Cap movie? He only says that when he's losing. It's a show of his spirit that he'll keep fighting even though he's getting badly beaten.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Also you must have forgotten how Cap destroyed the ARC reactor.. Its a clear win for team Cap... Team Iron Man lost and that needs to be accepted . ahhahahahahzhahahahahahahaha... I've no idea where the ignorant stuff about Stark beating Huilk comes from and when exactly have I said that? please find the link and quote me...hahahahahahahahahahaha..
It comes from your own logic. If only the result counts, then who cares if Hulk was distracted, IM KO'd him fair and square right?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Basically in an indoor scenario it's 50/50 for IM vs Cap+Bucky. But outdoors IM wins against the duo pretty much every time. The film makes that pretty clear.The Cap fans ( and the Cap hater whose jumped Wagon onto Cap 😂 ) need to stop arguing Cap can do better with baseless claims/assumptions. Your favorite character isn't automatically more powerful because you like him more.
Even indoors he still won. Think about it, a Tony not compromised mentally, IMMEDIATLY has his computer study Caps style and destroys him. Why didn't he do that from the jump? He's a genius, and hyper genius. He wouldn't already had his computer studying Cap's moves long before the fight. He has ample video of him in combat and knows his style very well. Even if he waited till the fight, cool, he would've initiated that right away. He didn't. Which is CIS and blatant PIS. Once he did, he dominated. He had Cap down, and stunned. An IM going for the kill blasts him over and over. Instead he started to monologue. Again CIS or PIS, take your pick. Point is, even in an enclosed area, IM still wins.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Where did I say Bucky was Cap's equal? Please quote because that is not the case at all.Cap>Spiderman>WS
Cap is above almost every single person besides Vision, Thor, Hulk and Wanda (hacks) now.
At this point I could see him kicking Loki's dumbass now.
Tony could prolly take Cap on a open battlefield but I doubt that even now as they already fought on one at the airport and he beat Spidermans ass. I just dont see him losing anymore, hes to fast, strong and agile and that shield can stop anything Ironman throws at him.
I wasn't saying you specifically. I was saying many people, over many threads have compared Bucky to Cap, and considers them virtually equals. They aren't, not even close really. This argument was used over and over in the Ozy vs. Bucky thread. How Cap can beat Ozy, and since Bucky's is near Cap, he can do. Only he's not near Cap. This has been explicitly shown in combat over and over. Cap has beaten him at least 2 times now, and likely 3 considering one was a partial fight. Cap did much better against Black Panther than Bucky. Cap did much better against Spiderman than Bucky. Every single combat showing points to Cap being decisively above Bucky.
Originally posted by Newjak
This is a silly thread.Cap was fighting an Ironman that was clearly not fighting to his fullest. He didn't want to hurt Cap and was clearly enraged against Bucky.
IM didn't even break out his most advanced weaponry during the fight most likely because he was too afraid of injuring Cap due to guidance system malfunctions.
Don't get me wrong Cap did amazing against Tony. They clearly buffed him up even more for this fight.
Of course, yet you still have people thinking Cap is greater than IM in a fight, which couldn't be further from the truth. IM going all out, mean Cap gets destroyed in ANY AREA. He wasn't close to going all out.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I wasn't saying you specifically. I was saying many people, over many threads have compared Bucky to Cap, and considers them virtually equals. They aren't, not even close really. This argument was used over and over in the Ozy vs. Bucky thread. How Cap can beat Ozy, and since Bucky's is near Cap, he can do. Only he's not near Cap. This has been explicitly shown in combat over and over. Cap has beaten him at least 2 times now, and likely 3 considering one was a partial fight. Cap did much better against Black Panther than Bucky. Cap did much better against Spiderman than Bucky. Every single combat showing points to Cap being decisively above Bucky.
Except when Cap fought Spiderman and BP he had his shield. WS was completely unarmed. Cap has more skill than Bucky it seems, but they really wouldn't be that far apart in terms of physical stats since their fights have always been close.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I wasn't saying you specifically. I was saying many people, over many threads have compared Bucky to Cap, and considers them virtually equals. They aren't, not even close really. This argument was used over and over in the Ozy vs. Bucky thread. How Cap can beat Ozy, and since Bucky's is near Cap, he can do. Only he's not near Cap. This has been explicitly shown in combat over and over. Cap has beaten him at least 2 times now, and likely 3 considering one was a partial fight. Cap did much better against Black Panther than Bucky. Cap did much better against Spiderman than Bucky. Every single combat showing points to Cap being decisively above Bucky.
True, but he never stomped WS the way Spider-Man did. And nor did Black Panther for that matter.
Originally posted by FrothByteExactly. We see WS and Cap fight as peers far too many times. WS also needs to be armed with a blade or gun. He's fantastic with them. WS, BP, Cap are all peers. Take a look at their scenes in the films. Hell for the most part every hero was trying to take down WS earlier on and that doesn't even get factored in. Imagine being jumped and pursued by peers and continuously shrugging it off and breaking free.
Except when Cap fought Spiderman and BP he had his shield. WS was completely unarmed. Cap has more skill than Bucky it seems, but they really wouldn't be that far apart in terms of physical stats since their fights have always been close.