Originally posted by Beniboybling
No my friend, you are making the baseless assumption that this is different from what Palpatine has prior accomplished.Projecting a weak defense (not sure why you're assuming he'd offer no resistance at all) while disguising the power he really possesses is no different from what he's done in the past. And I see no reason to believe Marek would be able to see through that.
Enlighten me then. When has he done this prior?
He's hidden his true capabilities in regards to offensive force capabilities from Mace true but he's never ( that we know of ) tried to make his own defenses seem weaker.
You're suggesting he did so here then?
Also I don't think he was acting weak. In the quote you provided it simply shows him firing lightning at Kota once he was denied. Not suddenly becoming powerful again after being beaten down.
Originally posted by SyndicateI already did that. 😬
Enlighten me then. When has he done this prior?He's hidden his true capabilities in regards to offensive force capabilities from Mace true but he's never ( that we know of ) tried to make his own defenses seem weaker.
You're suggesting he did so here then?
Also I don't think he was acting weak. In the quote you provided it simply shows him firing lightning at Kota once he was denied. Not suddenly becoming powerful again after being beaten down.
He concealed his true power from the Jedi. He concealed his true power from Anakin. He's doing it again here.
And the novel flat out states he was pretending to be "a weak old man", he literally fell over and acted exhausted and being hit with a Force push.
And no, after that he demonstrates Starkiller is "no match" from him, tanking his most powerful attack ever like its nothing. How is that at all the same man that a moment ago was getting ragdolled? Which for the record would suggest Marek is stronger than Palpatine.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I already did that. 😬He concealed his true power from the Jedi. He concealed his true power from Anakin. He's doing it again here.
And the novel flat out states he was pretending to be "a weak old man", he literally fell over and acted exhausted and being hit with a Force push.
And no, after that he demonstrates Starkiller is "no match" from him, tanking his most powerful attack ever like its nothing. How is that at all the same man that a moment ago was getting ragdolled? Which for the record would suggest Marek is stronger than Palpatine.
No you didn't.
So you're basically going to categorize what he did here under concealing, alright.
He was electrocuted as well. And the text doesn't mention anything about being exhausted. The only action he does here is fall to his knees and raise his hands. Considering the feats others have accomplished in much worse states I don't find it unreasonable that Sidious would be able to cast lightning and engage an exhausted opponent in a force lock after these events.
A tired/depleted Starkiller. Also while I agree Sidious had enough force reserves to shield himself from the explosion you have to note a near dead Vader did as well and Galen was obviously his superior. The blast wasn't "his most powerful attack ever." Galen put all the energy he had left into detonating the force energies between him and Sidious to allow his friend's to escape.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Since when? It's never done that. Games are C-Canon. Novels are C-Canon. One can't trump the other.
It's my personal stance on the matter given there are multiple video game versions of The Force Unleashed and The Force Unleashed II with different cutscenes. Most videogames weren't as popular/successful as The Force Unleashed franchise so they don't have to worry about conflicting cutscenes.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nobody gives a shit about your personal opinion. A canon source is a canon source, and you'll just have to get over it.
My personal stance will not be changing. If there are multiple contradicting sources you use the source that has a single uncontested narrative.
If you don't like this I apologize for the inconvenience but I don't really know what to tell you except to maybe build a bridge and get over it.
Originally posted by Syndicate
My personal stance will not be changing. If there are multiple contradicting sources you use the source that has a single uncontested narrative.If you don't like this I apologize for the inconvenience but I don't really know what to tell you except to maybe build a bridge and get over it.
I personally don't care, and would honestly tell you to do the same. You liking a source isn't a criteria for it being valid, and personal stance certainly won't dismiss it.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Your stance, again, is irrelevant. The source is a source, whether you accept it or not.I personally don't care, and would honestly tell you to do the same. You liking a source isn't a criteria for it being valid, and personal stance certainly won't dismiss it.
Except I have no emotional investment in this while you seem to be growing emotional because of my statement. Apologies if I misinterpreted your response.
I'm only upset that you keep posting. I'll not mad at you for any reason. You're nowhere near that important to me.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Ok i just wanted to make sure i mean it sounds pretty similar to me but what do i know haha
If I said SWTOR isn't valid because it's a video game, but the Revan novel is a book, it'd be the same. Me saying a codex entry isn't the end all be all, and more evidence supports a different stance is nowhere near comparable. 😬
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm only upset that you keep posting. I'll not mad at you for any reason. You're nowhere near that important to me.How is it the same? Like at all?
If I said SWTOR isn't valid because it's a video game, but the Revan novel is a book, it'd be the same. Me saying a codex entry isn't the end all be all, and more evidence supports a different stance is nowhere near comparable. 😬
😛 I <3 u 2.
Originally posted by SyndicateNot in the novel.
He was electrocuted as well.
And the text doesn't mention anything about being exhausted. The only action he does here is fall to his knees and raise his hands.Right, indicating exhaustion/weakness, make the inference goodness.
Considering the feats others have accomplished in much worse states I don't find it unreasonable that Sidious would be able to cast lightning and engage an exhausted opponent in a force lock after these events.Exactly, because he was actually fine, he was faking weakness.
A tired/depleted Starkiller.Who then had a moment of Oneness so actually the opposite is true.
Also while I agree Sidious had enough force reserves to shield himself from the explosion you have to note a near dead Vader did as well and Galen was obviously his superior.Vader was not at the epicentre of the attack, or even nearby as I recall.
The blast wasn't "his most powerful attack ever." Galen put all the energy he had left into detonating the force energies between him and Sidious to allow his friend's to escape.No, he pretty much states what he unleashed was more powerful than anything before:
Energy surged through him. He felt as though a star had blazed to life in his chest. Driven by concern for his friends rather than himself, he embraced the Force completely, utterly, and was rewarded with strength that made his efforts with the dark side look like those of a child. His nerves were on fire. Streamers of light radiated from his skin. His bones glowed like radiant lava.
The fact that it killed him should be ample proof in itself. So I'd appreciate it if you address the vast disparity between tanking this and getting ragdolled just prior. Because as far as I'm concerned Oneness-Marek being "no match" for Palpatine puts a lid on this debate.