Force storms vs. Ziost

It proves that force storm mechanics are similar in effect to black holes, thus Palpatine certainly isn't busting the universe or a galaxy for that matter. So logically 'all of space' is a poorly written way of saying the space all around the fleet was threatened.

Ell, care to provide proof that Palpatine can maintain multiple storms at once, because all we hear is that multiple were sighted across the galaxy, not simultaneously. Because him doing so would contradict numerous sources explaining the maximum effort required to maintain one at any given time.

If not, Palps at best can destroy the surfaces of worlds over an extended period of time.

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How does a comparison to something so massively potent as a black hole indicate limitations of any kind? Like what?

EDIT: What this source actually proves is 1. Force storms do not create black holes, as that would make a comparison with one redundant, 2. instead their destructive output is attributable the dark side i.e. "pure hate", and 3. its destructive capabilities are limitless in that regard. 👆

It us stated that not unlike black holes, Force storms can tear apart fleets the surfaces of planets, it's pretty clear in thst regard. Given that the effects of a Force storm are basically less potent than any genuine black hole, we can assert that they're nowhere near powerful enough to actually threaten the universe.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
lmao Legend, if you contend that Force storms are like black holes, you cannot possibly contest destructive output.

Use of this power requires the focusing of hate and anger to an almost palpable degree and there is considerable danger involved. Some are able to create Force storms, but fail at harnessing what they have foolishly unleashed. Often, those who fail to control the storm are themselves consumed and destroyed. If the user is destroyed, the storm dissipates within minutes.

From Dark Empire Sourcebook

Force Storm, at its very nature, is a blackhole-like manifestation. Just like a wormhole.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Palpatine have the raw power and knowledge to conjure a Force Storm Palpatine cannot do such stuff with other techniques.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
can most likely planet bust, as he just has to generate multiple Storms (which we know he can) around the planet core - if it's energetic enough to kill fleets and tear the surface off of worlds, it can at the very least destabilize the planet massively and cause environmental catastrophes that make Ziost look childish.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
could easily kill Valkorion by using a Storm to teleport away, and then using another to either kill Valkorion or teleport him into a star/black hole.

Moreover, there is no recorded instance of Palpatine conjuring a Force Storm in the midst of combat where he is present.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
could have soloed the entire TOR Sith Empire by just spamming storms over Droumund Kaas and everywhere else.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
has the ability to move and control the equivalent of singularities which, in order to violently consume star destroyers, would essentially have to mass more than entire planets - .ie Palpatine can casually create, move and dissipate planets.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
can create f*cking black holes.

Well, no. Even if others can create Force storms, we don't know how many people/how much time it takes to do so, how large the storm is, or how well they can control it.

Or whether they are as destructively potent, the fact that the storm Palpatine conjures at Da Soocha is "far more powerful" than those prior indicates that varies as well.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Or whether they are as destructively potent, the fact that the storm Palpatine conjures at Da Soocha is "far more powerful" than those prior indicates that varies as well.

The Force Storm conjured for Da Soocha was far bigger in size then the one conjured for Coruscant.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well, no. Even if others can create Force storms, we don't know how many people/how much time it takes to do so, how large the storm is, or how well they can control it.

In complete honesty: Vitiate's attack on Ziost is more impressive in that it's sheer scale was bigger than anything Sidious showed + had more usefulness as Ares said, but Palpatine's force storms are superior because their own scale is immense, it causes more pure destruction, and Palpatine can conjure multiple of them with mere inclination across light years. Palpatine is literally the God of Destruction in star wars, the ultimate embodiment of rage.

IIRC Sheev was only able to create the one over Da Soocha after considerable meditation to amplify it's affects, same as any technique, taking more time to give it potential energy before unleashing a stronger than average burs (or whatever the situation/power may be). With overall regards to a comparison of the two, Ziost was a much larger scaled and more complex/potent expression of power, however, as far as we know Force Storms are far simpler to create than the Ziost thing (just for funsies I'm going to call it Force Exodus since I can't find a stated name anywhere and it sounds cool/apropos), and affect physical material (durasteel) more than Force Exodus (seeming to primarily affect living/non-metal matter). I'd say that Ziost was more impressive, but the capability of Force Storms if intense meditation is done prior to its use is very impressive itself. I'd give an overall edge to Force Exodus. Force Storms (seemingly/comparatively) require a considerable amount less effort to create, however, its potency doesn't seem to truly rival Force Exodus if intense meditation is not performed prior to unleashing it, where Force Exodus seems to have a consistent potency/effect when used (in comparing Ziost and Nathema).

Was the context behind Disemobodied Vitiate's Ziost feet even shown? Was it a ritual or just some oneoff showing?>

Sheev states he can create them with inclination, and the one that "threatened to consume all of space" was created on the fly as well. While Ziost definitely had much bigger scale, the force storms are just so easy to summon and can be summoned from light years away, hence Palpatine's version of them being so much more dangerous and reality-threatening. Also, not sure what you mean by a more, "complex" expression of power, the force storm is generally considered the greatest dark side power, and ultimately the one that only he truly mastered.

Originally posted by carthage
Was the context behind Disemobodied Vitiate's Ziost feet even shown? Was it a ritual or just some oneoff showing?>

Well, the only context we have was that it was the, "corrosive energies of the dark side of the force to its fullest extent" or something of that nature. Not confirmed to be a ritual or not, and there's no reason to believe it's a one off showing.

So descriptive fluff that doesn't really elaborate as to how he accomplished that feat as a disembodied spirit? Ok. He isn't above Sidious yet?

I mean based on the literal appearance, it was probably a massive death field, like the power Bane used to kill dem cultists.

That said, nah, Valkorion isn't above Sidious yet, and he may never be. Sidious had gathered the most arcane knowledge from a million worlds and countless cultures, whether they be dark side, light side, or the zeishon sha, is rumored to have mastered nearly every (dark side or literally every idr) power ever known and devise new ones as he pleases, has the Banite trove of knowledge to scour, Naga Sadow's holocron, who basically held all the knowledge passed down through the ancient sith on down to Kun, etc. While Vitiate lived waaaaay longer, Palpatine had waaaaay more access to knowledge than Vitiate, so force mastery is probably still in Palpatine's favor. This is supported when you consider his ultimate mastery over rage to culminate in the force storm, whereas very few have even mastered the force maelstrom, (in fact, Malgus is the only definite one I can think of). He's implied to be capable of stomping Galen Marek, was unfazed by Marek's point blank suicide oneness bomb that could be seen from far outside the Death Star, telepathically rapes Vader from across the galaxy, mindrapes the 20 billion population of Byss and constantly feeds on their life force, mindwipes millions of people to hide a star destroyer, etc. This is all before becoming far more formidable by Dark Empire, where he could summon the almighty force storms with inclination and at a light years distance.

Did I forget to mention this guy is one of the top 2-3 lightsaber duelists of all time?

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See, I've come to realize that dominating the likes of Arcann and Marr and the Outlander or whoever is just to re-affirm his utter superiority within his own era. Being unfazed by Galen's point blank an hero, raping Vader, raping the B Team, raping Maul and Savage, all feats that were pre prime, are similar, and probably more impressive too. As ILS says, Maul was powerful enough to survive for a decade being cut in half for gods sake, and had enough potential that Sidious would betray Talzin for him. Saber blocking? I'm pretty sure Yoda was saber blocking strikes from Tiin, Billaba, and Koon with casual ease, (though this feat may have also been precognition, if someone could confirm on this). Then of course there's the infamous Kylo Ren blocking saber strikes in the TFA Novel. 'Thor was pretty easily blocking saber strikes from The First Son, and she's an Ant next to Sidious.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
In complete honesty: Vitiate's attack on Ziost is more impressive in that it's sheer scale was bigger than anything Sidious showed + had more usefulness as Ares said, but Palpatine's force storms are superior because their own scale is immense, it causes more pure destruction, and Palpatine can conjure multiple of them with mere inclination across light years. Palpatine is literally the God of Destruction in star wars, the ultimate embodiment of rage.

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Originally posted by Tondemonai
IIRC Sheev was only able to create the one over Da Soocha after considerable meditation to amplify it's affects, same as any technique, taking more time to give it potential energy before unleashing a stronger than average burs (or whatever the situation/power may be). With overall regards to a comparison of the two, Ziost was a much larger scaled and more complex/potent expression of power, however, as far as we know Force Storms are far simpler to create than the Ziost thing (just for funsies I'm going to call it Force Exodus since I can't find a stated name anywhere and it sounds cool/apropos), and affect physical material (durasteel) more than Force Exodus (seeming to primarily affect living/non-metal matter). I'd say that Ziost was more impressive, but the capability of Force Storms if intense meditation is done prior to its use is very impressive itself. I'd give an overall edge to Force Exodus. Force Storms (seemingly/comparatively) require a considerable amount less effort to create, however, its potency doesn't seem to truly rival Force Exodus if intense meditation is not performed prior to unleashing it, where Force Exodus seems to have a consistent potency/effect when used (in comparing Ziost and Nathema).

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s rumored to have mastered nearly every (dark side or literally every idr) power ever known

It's also hard to argue that Sidious had access to more knowledge other than 4,000 years=more knowledge to decipher. I'm fairly certain Vitiate knows techniques nobody else does as he's shown time and time again. Also, I'm not very impressed with mindwiping the residents of Byss over at 20-30 year period. I'd say Vitiate mindraping everyone on Ziost or Kun doing that to the senate is more impressive because of it's scale and speed.