Originally posted by The Ellimist
1. How do you refute the evidence provided that destroying an Eclipse Super Star Destroyer is significantly more energetic than wiping out life on a planet?
The Force Storm was much larger than the vessels it consumed. The durability of a vessel is largely irrelevant vis-a-vis a blackhole and similar manifestations because they literally consume atoms. Mass is most important factor.
The same Force Storm would not be able to consume a planet on such a short notice because a planet have infinitely larger mass then a Starship. This is further evident from the fact that that Force Storm destroyed an alliance base on a moon but not the moon itself when it came into contact with the said moon.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well no that wasn't my argument, rather than Palpatine destroyed a vessel that can tank planet-busting impact, his Force storms are therefore of a planet busting magnitude. 👆EDIT: Though the fact that using the same reactor output the Eclipse can bust planets certainly reinforces this argument.
Do you even understand the concept of blackholes and similar manifestations? They consume matter by virtue of consuming atoms. The properties of matter are largely irrelevant via-a-vis a blackhole or similar manifestation.
It doesn't matters if an atomic bomb can wipe out a city; should it come into contact with a blackhole or similar manifestation, it will be consumed and its explosive power would be irrelevant.
The most important aspect is mass of the matter. If the Force Storm is much larger then a vessel, it will consume it on short notice. However, same Force Storm would not be able to consume a planet on such a short notice because the planet have infinitely larger mass then any Starship and the Force Storm is more likely to dissipate before it can consume the planet unless it can be sustained for months.
All of the above is apparent even in the example of Palpatine's last Force Storm. It easily consumed vessels in its path because it was much larger then them and it also came into contact with a moon below and destroyed an Alliance Base but not the moon itself. That Force Storm faded before it could consume the moon itself.
The same Force Storm would not be able to consume a planet on such a short notice because a planet have infinitely larger mass then a Starship. This is further evident from the fact that that Force Storm destroyed an alliance base on a moon but not the moon itself when it came into contact with the said moon.
Which honestly makes it even more impressive from the standpoint of raw destructive power. And we also know from Luke's account that Force Storms can kill worlds. So really it's got the best of both worlds.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Which honestly makes it even more impressive from the standpoint of raw destructive power. And we also know from Luke's account that Force Storms can kill worlds. So really it's got the best of both worlds.
One consumes atoms. Other consumes only life-forms.
Yes, a Force Storm can kill a world, should it be large enough to do the job. It depends upon the size of the Force Storm. Luke's remark is generic.
Yes, a Force Storm can kill a world, should it be large enough to do the job. It depends upon the size of the Force Storm. Luke's remark is generic.
It could. It could also depend on how fast hyperspace storms can travel.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is subjective.One consumes atoms. Other consumes only life-forms.
Uh, hello? Welcome to the thread. Please take this time to look around:
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I don't really know why we're comparing two abilities that fall under such different areas of the Force anyway. It's essentially like comparing a TK feat to a TP feat.
Furthermore, I didn't even address the Ziost feat, so I don't really know why you're even bringing it up.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSo a few kilometers deep at best.
Large enough to house Starship manufacturing facilities inside and the planet itself being labelled as "tunneled" due to them?
I know that.Then why do you keep describing the crust as if its the core? 😂My point is that tunnels in Pammant are implied to be enormous. Therefore, [powerful] shockwaves could travel through them and reach the crust [more easily].
Also, you are assuming that Pammant is a large planet. We don't really know if its crust was thousands of km beneath the surface. It could be in hundreds.
Again there is no evidence to suggest there tunnels extend beneath the crust, meaning the shockwaves would have to travel through thousands of kilometers of matter to reach and fracture it's core. And of course its not hundreds of kilometers in diameter, its not a dwarf planet or a moon. 😬
And seeing as the source material makes no mention of these tunnels being a factor in it's devastation, I see no reason to entertain your rather hairbrained theories, especially considering you can't even prove these tunnels were present at the site of impact.
Originally posted by NephthysEven Eliminists argument are better than this. 🙂
Because Ellimist?
Heck in the real-world even a wormhole is an entirely theoretical concept and in Star Wars they are not stated to have any destructive properties. Going on to assume Palpatine's space magic has the properties of a black hole is absurd in the extreme. 😬