At first I was leaning Marka Ragnos because feats don't matter and Marka has all the thematic shit going for him...
But then I realized Rivi shits on Marka as a duelist because she came 5,000 years later and thus her understanding of lightsaber combat would've been super advanced. And while its completely cancerous to judge combative force ability from force feats, judging it from a display of martial prowess is somehow okay, so therefore Rivi shits on Marka in the Force, and with sabers and force under her belt, Rivi should honestly stomp.
Originally posted by EmperordmbHow long do you plan to nurse this butthurt DMB?
At first I was leaning Marka Ragnos because feats don't matter and Marka has all the thematic shit going for him...But then I realized Rivi shits on Marka as a duelist because she came 5,000 years later and thus her understanding of lightsaber combat would've been super advanced. And while its completely cancerous to judge combative force ability from force feats, judging it from a display of martial prowess is somehow okay, so therefore Rivi shits on Marka in the Force, and with sabers and force under her belt, Rivi should honestly stomp.
Gross Aurbere. 🙂
Honestly though it's kinda sad to see DMB continually fail to grasp this argument so I'm gonna help him out. Let's think of this in terms of an analogy, say Formula 1 race cars.
Now a quick Google search tells me that one of the fastest F1 cars of the 1930s was the Alfa Romeo 158, which had a top speed of 180 mph. Nonetheless would it be winning any races against the F1 cars of today? Of course not, because they are considerably more technologically advanced, and have top speeds of well over 200 mph.
So does that also mean that the Honda Jazz sitting in my driveway can beat the Alfa Romeo as well? No, that's absurd, I'd question whether it can even manage 100, let alone 180. The fact that its been built with more advanced tech doesn't change the fact that its a run-of-the-mill economy vehicle, not a race car.
Likewise the fact that the PT era is altogether more advanced in its technique compared to early eras (though not that of the ancient Sith who were themselves extraordinarily advanced in comparison to successive periods) doesn't mean a run-of-the-mill Jedi Knight like Riva Anu is going to be beating the premier duellists of earlier ages. That's equally absurd.
I mean really, do we go around saying that no-name ancient Sith would house the likes of Malak and the HoT cause el33t skillz? No we don't, it's high time this cancer was put to bed.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Gross Aurbere. 🙂Honestly though it's kinda sad to see DMB continually fail to grasp this argument so I'm gonna help him out. Let's think of this in terms of an analogy, say Formula 1 race cars.
Now a quick Google search tells me that one of the fastest F1 cars of the 1930s was the Alfa Romeo 158, which had a top speed of 180 mph. Nonetheless would it be winning any races against the F1 cars of today? Of course not, because they are considerably more technologically advanced, and have top speeds of well over 200 mph.
So does that also mean that the Honda Jazz sitting in my driveway can beat the Alfa Romeo as well? No, that's absurd, I'd question whether it can even manage 100, let alone 180. The fact that its been built with more advanced tech doesn't change the fact that its a run-of-the-mill economy vehicle, not a race car.
Likewise the fact that the PT era is altogether more advanced in its technique compared to early eras (though not that of the ancient Sith who were themselves extraordinarily advanced in comparison to successive periods) doesn't mean a run-of-the-mill Jedi Knight like Riva Anu is going to be beating the premier duellists of earlier ages. That's equally absurd.
I mean really, do we go around saying that no-name ancient Sith would house the likes of Malak and the HoT cause el33t skillz? No we don't, it's high time this cancer was put to bed.
Like let's not pretend that however many techniques anyone in a previous era could learn and perfect, they'd still be outclassed in technical skill by anyone Plo Koon level and up from the PT era.
Originally posted by EmperordmbYes, let's pretend that the premier Council-level duelists of the PT era, many of whom were regarded as some of the greatest duelists in mythos, have not perfected every move and sequence of their respective forms, and refined and developed a personal technique.
Yeah but it's hardly to the extent that anyone whose a high tier duelist in the PT era has more technical skill than anyone who perfected every move and sequence of lightsaber combat in any prior era.Like let's not pretend that however many techniques anyone in a previous era could learn and perfect, they'd still be outclassed in technical skill by anyone Plo Koon level and up from the PT era.
Let's pretend this is entirely unique to Kas'im, and because he did it with seven forms that is seven times better than any one of them.
Really I find it laughable how you say "Plo Koon and up" like this is setting the bar low, despite Plo Koon being regarded as among greatest Jedi combatants in history. 😂
@Aurbere Right every master duelist has perfected every move and sequence of all seven forms... Totally. That's absolutely something every master duelist does.
Except it isn't. Perfecting techniques =/= perfecting every technique and sequence of all seven forms
And if this is a level every master level duelist is on, then Kas'im after mastering all seven forms (which would've made him a high level master of multiple forms as Juyo is included in the seven) would've already been on this level, yet he spent decades after that point perfecting every move and sequence to that extent. I mean you're entire argument about every master level duelist having accomplished this level falls flat when it's shown to be considerably beyond someone who mastered all seven forms with a high level mastery of many of them (undoubtedly making him a "master duelist"😉.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes, let's pretend that the premier Council-level duelists of the PT era, many of whom were regarded as some of the greatest duelists in mythos, have not perfected every move and sequence of their respective forms, and refined and developed a personal technique.Let's pretend this is entirely unique to Kas'im, and because he did it with seven forms that is seven times better than any one of them.
Really I find it laughable how you say "Plo Koon and up" like this is setting the bar low, despite Plo Koon being regarded as among greatest Jedi combatants in history.
And also, it's not just seven times as many forms, many of the sequences blend and combine several forms at once, which pretty substantially increases the number of ways the techniques from even one form can be applied.
Sure Plo Koon is good, but I find it laughable to suggest that he has a greater level of technical mastery than anyone in any era before his own. If that's insane go ahead and laugh.