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Well yeah, but feats are still an absolutely vital component, because when debater A is rooting for Darth Vader and debater B is rooting for Darth Jadus, accolades won't cut it on their own.

Well, in that case we can still power-scale by, say, arguing that Vader is closer to Sidious than Jadus is to Vitiate, and that Sidious > Vitiate.

But that doesn't mean feats are irrelevant, you're right.

Except we don't know if Vader is closer to Sidious than Jadus is Vitiate, nor how much ">" Sidious is than Vitiate, (if he even is, lmfao).

So yeah, feats are clearly not irrelevant.

I find while accolades are more concrete, they are far less accurate that feats.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I find while accolades are more concrete, they are far less accurate that feats.

Too late. Ben > Sidious will be a thing now.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Well yeah, but feats are still an absolutely vital component, because when debater A is rooting for Darth Vader and debater B is rooting for Darth Jadus, accolades won't cut it on their own.

IIRC the Antediluvians went by purely accolades and powerscaling, lol.

Well, yeah, and we're using this flawed system right now because it's the best system we have to date. There won't be an accolade or an implication to prove Jadus > Vader or vice versa, and feats are only useful in very particular situations, i.e. when the characters are either written by the same writer or exist within the same era. I can agree with you if people try to pass off feats as a 100% factual reality of a character's abilities relative to another, but to say that people can't use feats at all in any debate when there's, quite frankly, no better solution to date, seems a bit premature.

Now, if you could propose a less flawed, legit better system, then be my guest. But to literally kill star wars discussion under the "feats don't work" clause without another solution? I'll let the rest of the members on kmc and CV decide if that's what they want, kek.

Originally posted by ILS
It's not an answerable question in that case. You can make as reasonable and meticulously designed an argument as you want, but there still won't be a measure that Vader and Jadus both sit on equally other than one we, the fans, give them, e.g HURDUR WHO CAN LIFT HEAVIER SHIT BRAH

God. This post is absolute cancer. I don't care if it's 100% accurate. If we all followed what you're saying debating would be absolutely joyless.

Originally posted by Syndicate
God. This post is absolute cancer. I don't care if it's 100% accurate. If we all followed what you're saying debating would be absolutely joyless.

Skillz I love you and I bet you're really sexy.

No thanks. I'll do it because it continues to entertain under the current system a majority of the members follow which is a mix of accolades/logic/feats.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Now, if you could propose a less flawed, legit better system, then be my guest. But to literally kill star wars discussion under the "feats don't work" clause without another solution? I'll let the rest of the members on kmc and CV decide if that's what they want, kek.

Originally posted by Syndicate
No thanks. I'll do it because it continues to entertain under the current system a majority of the members follow which is a mix of accolades/logic/feats.

I find Star Wars debating in general laughable tbh. But then again it's as pointless as almost everything else and since I'm still enjoying it for some reason I might as well continue to do it.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Skillz I love you and I bet you're really sexy.

I mean, I could prove it to you, if you want. 🙂

Originally posted by ILS
You guys can do wtf you want lol, I just find feat wars laughable now.

It's clearly fake and artificial because the authors aren't coordinating this or anything, but then again, all of this is fake and artificial - most powerscaling is also separate from authorial intent. And if authorial intent were clear, then there wouldn't even be any room for discussion. So it's just different levels of arbitrariness, assuming rationality to a fictional construct that clearly has none.

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Originally posted by ILS
You guys can do wtf you want lol, I just find feat wars laughable now.

So basically, you're not going to debate anyone, ever, unless you're playing Devil's Advocate? That's depressing. 🙂

Originally posted by The Ellimist
It's clearly fake and artificial because the authors aren't coordinating this or anything, but then again, all of this is fake and artificial - most powerscaling is also separate from authorial intent. And if authorial intent were clear, then there wouldn't even be any room for discussion. So it's just different levels of arbitrariness, assuming rationality to a fictional construct that clearly has none.

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