Originally posted by EmperordmbAnd these battlemasters, they were regarded as among the best duellists in galactic history yes? Can we have some names?
Please, even some battlemasters, some of the most knowledgeable swordsman in any order, admit they're no where near perfecting every move. And Kas'im was a master of all seven forms and a high level master of many of them before having to spend decades perfecting every move and sequence of said forms. Clearly mastering forms, even to a high level, is not the same as literally perfecting all of its moves and sequences.And also, it's not just seven times as many forms, many of the sequences blend and combine several forms at once, which pretty substantially increases the number of ways the techniques from even one form can be applied.
Sure Plo Koon is good, but I find it laughable to suggest that he has a greater level of technical mastery than anyone in any era before his own. If that's insane go ahead and laugh.Good? Being among the best in mythos only makes you good? Yikes, it's pretty obvious that the problem here is you hold Koon in very low regard.
@Aurbere Says the person ignoring Kas'im having to spend decades after mastering all seven forms to perfect every move and technique, and ignoring the fact that the battlemasters aren't even necessarily close to that level, to suggest that perfecting every move and sequence is something every master duelist does despite no evidence supporting this and quite a bit of evidence going against it.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And these battlemasters, they were regarded as among the best duellists in galactic history yes? Can we have some names?
And none of you have actually proven that Plo's level of skill means he perfected every move and sequence of Djem So.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Good? Being among the best in mythos only makes you good? Yikes, it's pretty obvious that the problem here is you hold Koon in very low regard.
And regardless, I find it hard to believe that he has greater technical skill than anyone in any era before his regardless.
Originally posted by EmperordmbI look forward to hearing from you.
I'm afraid I don't have access to my computer at the moment, but I'm sure Aurbere can share this valuable information with you since he's been flaunting some Jedi Past quote for the past week that he apparently doesn't have the balls to post even after being provided with a "Kas'im troll thread" (because he stated he was unwilling to post it otherwise).
And none of you have actually proven that Plo's level of skill means he perfected every move and sequence of Djem So.It's a logical inference considering his standing in mythos, certainly he's achieved a sufficient level of mastery to be in Kas'im's tier, only with more advanced techniques.
On the other hand you yourself have yet to provide evidence that what Kas'im achieved, in any one form, is particularly unique, nor that it puts him at all significantly above those regarded as among the greatest duelists ever.
That was an understatement. I have Plo on the upper half of the ROTS council for ****'s sake.Calm down DMB, not my fault your being dismissive of Koon's abilities. 🙂And regardless, I find it hard to believe that he has greater technical skill than anyone in any era before his regardless.
But OK, bar exceptions such as Exar Kun and the ancient Masters, which duelists do you have a hard time putting Koon above? Or is it just Kas'im?
No one who knows anything about swordfighting would ever tell you that a specialist in a single martial art would automatically lose to someone who has mastered several. True, mastering multiple styles does provide the advantage of versatility, and a greater understanding of potentially opposing techniques. These are things to be expected of all fencers described as history's greatest masters, though.
There are more important factors to consider in a duel between high-level masters than number of forms learned. Degree of mastery in application, reaction times, combat experience, inventiveness/unpredictability, physical advantages, strength in the Force, incorporation of Force-based abilities, strategy, etc. etc. It's for these reasons that someone like Cin Drallig, despite being an academic master of several forms, is infinitely inferior to someone like Anakin Skywalker.
And Kas'im is definitely among the best: he does well for himself in a number of categories--some more than others--but judging him to be superior to a number of other reputable masters simply because of the number of styles he's mastered is silly.
Originally posted by NephthysEh? Having comprehension issues again? I said DMB has yet to prove that what Kas'im achieved is so special as to put him in another league to one of the greatest Jedi combatants ever. Quite different.
DMB has to prove Kas'ims ability, but it's a 'logical inference' that Koons abilities are perfect? Lol.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
No one who knows anything about swordfighting would ever tell you that a specialist in a single martial art would automatically lose to someone who has mastered several. True, mastering multiple styles does provide the advantage of versatility, and a greater understanding of potentially opposing techniques. These are things to be expected of all fencers described as history's greatest masters, though.There are more important factors to consider in a duel between high-level masters than number of forms learned. Degree of mastery in application, reaction times, combat experience, inventiveness/unpredictability, physical advantages, strength in the Force, incorporation of Force-based abilities, strategy, etc. etc. It's for these reasons that someone like Cin Drallig, despite being an academic master of several forms, is infinitely inferior to someone like Anakin Skywalker.
And Kas'im is definitely among the best: he does well for himself in a number of categories--some more than others--but judging him to be superior to a number of other reputable masters simply because of the number of styles he's mastered is silly.
Originally posted by BeniboyblingFirstly, he doesn't need to do that. You need to prove that what he did was common. DMB shouldn't be expected to compare Kas'im to everyone in history to prove he's special. Secondly, you're refusing to prove your own point while demanding that he proves his. It's no different.
Eh? Having comprehension issues again? I said DMB has yet to prove that what Kas'im achieved is so special as to put him in another league to one of the greatest Jedi combatants ever. Quite different.