Originally posted by quanchi112
So I list various badass Trek forces, ships, etc. and you ignore them. Concession accepted. Your initial fanboyish claim was five shots from the starkiller base would destroy all of Star Trek. 😂
If you want to put the entirety of Star Trek in one spot - which you implicitly did by stating that red matter would just counter Starkiller Base - then, yes, a single volley from Starkiller Base would destroy the entirety of Star Trek. Your list still doesn't make any sense outside your head, goof.
That's fine as Trek can transport anywhere and we see it takes time to drain stars from whatever location it's at.
Yeah.
Except when there are shields between them and their destination. Which is kind of bad, provided planetary shielding for Starkiller Base. 🙁 And I've also not seen them beaming people across the Galaxy. If they could do that, the entirety of Star Trek: Voyager and using a wormhole in Deep Space Nine would be pretty absurd. In fact: They wouldn't need spaceships any longer.
Minutes is too long for Trek to prepare for based on the red matter.
You do realize that they wouldn't see the shots coming, as they could only detect them seconds before impact? Just asking...
Why can't trek assimilate the Star Wars tech via the Borg ? That's what they do you just want to ignore it. It's sad. They can also transport and these forces are going to be located within the same fictional galaxy.
Because the Borg would never get their hands on Star Wars tech.
They can't enter Star Wars ships, because those would easily outrun Borg vessels. They can't get through SW shielding and would be vaporized before being capable of even attempting to adapt to anything. You may also consider the sheer hilarity of the thought to "adapt" to something that destroys single planets (Death Star) or all planets in a star system (Starkiller Base) with a single shot.
Yes, they can especially when they join forces. Federation, Klingons, Romulans, Borg, Frontier, etc.
You do realize, that even all of them combined are a joke next to the Galactic Republic as of TPM or the Galactic Empire, right?
When did it avoid any ships ? When did it do anything you describe in the film ? Multiple ships boarded it quite easily. You seem to ignore the film and make shit up due to fanboyism.
I see, you still fail to understand the fact that SW vessels are thousand times faster than anything the Star Trek universe has to offer. And when did they try to avoid ships? They had shields that couldn't have been breached under normal circumstances (and I explained to you why). And there was one ship which made it through while the shields were on. Apparently, you are ignoring the film.
Trek utilized red matter to stop a super nova. Wars builds a bigger base with a badder laser. Whooppty doo. Same shitty ships thirty years later. Trek outdid the Federation ships by three times the speed and twice the size manned by one ship. That's called progress not new tie fighters.
Wars build a base that puts more power than a supernova has into a focused energy beam. And considering your regular civilian frighter (hint: Millenium Falcon) could outrun any ST ship, I wonder on what basis you try to argue against SW tech.
Prove it is greater than a super nova.
Already done, with a nice video. Also: They take the entire energy from a star. A supernova is an exploding star. They add energy generated from Dark Matter. Then they fire that stuff together. I wonder how you failed to grasp that 1 + x > 1.
Red matter creates black hole and there it goes. They could do it way easier. If you believe it can resist a black hole then prove it.
If the Enterprise can get away from that "black hole", I'm rather certain that something that can move a million times faster than the Enterprise can also do that. And that was, by the way, the entirety of red matter Star Trek has used on one place. Which still wouldn't destroy the entirety of Starkiller Base, as that black hole was pretty small in comparison and vanished within minutes (apparently).
You ignore the films portrayal left and right and cite numbers not indicative of the battle.
Actually, I'm the only one here that doesn't ignore the films...
Red matter takes out all the bigger space stations.
Yeah. That "black hole" was roughly the size of the Narada in diameter, right? Just for reference, since you seem to have absolutely no idea what you are talking about:
That's the Narada (roughly 10 kilometers length) compared to DS 1 (160 km diameter), and one can actually doubt that a "black hole" this size will cause the Death Star much trouble. It gets even more funny, if you compare that to the size of the second Death Star (900 km diameter):
And then you put that in one perspective with Starkiller Base (roughly 5,400 km diameter):
The very small red dot, barely visible with the naked eye, located right below the smaller Death Star is the Narada. And you think a "black hole" of that size will destroy Starkiller Base? 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sorry my life isn't kmc.
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You have no life outside KMC.
Originally posted by Nai
Except when there are shields between them and their destination. Which is kind of bad, provided planetary shielding for Starkiller Base. 🙁 And I've also not seen them beaming people across the Galaxy. If they could do that, the entirety of Star Trek: Voyager and using a wormhole in Deep Space Nine would be pretty absurd. In fact: They wouldn't need spaceships any longer..
Cracked was already ahead there! Though I think the wording is wrong, still it's hilarious.
He's been using this site for 9 years and a few days. Let's just say 9 years.
135994 / 9 = 15 110 (with 0,4 shit).
15 100 / 365 = 41 posts a day
Typical shitpost like this one I'm just making takes me 20-50 seconds. Even in the highest level it's 2050 seconds = 34 minutes
So if somebody shitposts it's the equivalent of a long dump with your smartphone in hand, tbh.
Originally posted by NaiWho said anything about putting the entirety of Trek in one spot ? How does that make any sense ? You are trying to back off the insane claim five shots could solo Trek. You'd have to comb the streets for anyone who pretended to know anything about both to make such a silly claim. My list proves formidability, power, adaptability, etc. You're too blind to see it.
If you want to put the entirety of Star Trek in one spot - which you implicitly did by stating that red matter would just counter Starkiller Base - then, yes, a single volley from Starkiller Base would destroy the entirety of Star Trek. Your list still doesn't make any sense outside your head, goof.Yeah.
Except when there are shields between them and their destination. Which is kind of bad, provided planetary shielding for Starkiller Base. 🙁 And I've also not seen them beaming people across the Galaxy. If they could do that, the entirety of Star Trek: Voyager and using a wormhole in Deep Space Nine would be pretty absurd. In fact: They wouldn't need spaceships any longer.You do realize that they wouldn't see the shots coming, as they could only detect them seconds before impact? Just asking...
Because the Borg would never get their hands on Star Wars tech.
They can't enter Star Wars ships, because those would easily outrun Borg vessels. They can't get through SW shielding and would be vaporized before being capable of even attempting to adapt to anything. You may also consider the sheer hilarity of the thought to "adapt" to something that destroys single planets (Death Star) or all planets in a star system (Starkiller Base) with a single shot.You do realize, that even all of them combined are a joke next to the Galactic Republic as of TPM or the Galactic Empire, right?
I see, you still fail to understand the fact that SW vessels are thousand times faster than anything the Star Trek universe has to offer. And when did they try to avoid ships? They had shields that couldn't have been breached under normal circumstances (and I explained to you why). And there was one ship which made it through while the shields were on. Apparently, you are ignoring the film.
Wars build a base that puts more power than a supernova has into a focused energy beam. And considering your regular civilian frighter (hint: Millenium Falcon) could outrun any ST ship, I wonder on what basis you try to argue against SW tech.
Already done, with a nice video. Also: They take the entire energy from a star. A supernova is an exploding star. They add energy generated from Dark Matter. Then they fire that stuff together. I wonder how you failed to grasp that 1 + x > 1.
If the Enterprise can get away from that "black hole", I'm rather certain that something that can move a million times faster than the Enterprise can also do that. And that was, by the way, the entirety of red matter Star Trek has used on one place. Which still wouldn't destroy the entirety of Starkiller Base, as that black hole was pretty small in comparison and vanished within minutes (apparently).
Actually, I'm the only one here that doesn't ignore the films...
Yeah. That "black hole" was roughly the size of the Narada in diameter, right? Just for reference, since you seem to have absolutely no idea what you are talking about:
That's the Narada (roughly 10 kilometers length) compared to DS 1 (160 km diameter), and one can actually doubt that a "black hole" this size will cause the Death Star much trouble. It gets even more funny, if you compare that to the size of the second Death Star (900 km diameter):
And then you put that in one perspective with Starkiller Base (roughly 5,400 km diameter):
The very small red dot, barely visible with the naked eye, located right below the smaller Death Star is the Narada. And you think a "black hole" of that size will destroy Starkiller Base? 😂
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Khan beamed across the galaxy after he attacked Starfleet. Did you watch the film ? Shields aren't impenetrable and oh how I love that red matter. Quit trying to logically think through fiction it makes it boring.
Why wouldn't their tech work to see anything coming ? So trek is all advanced but anything coming at their planets like a giant energy beam they can't see coming why ? Another one of these just because you say so. Screw logic because Nai loves Star Wars.
Oh so despite Han Solo parading around the galaxy and Stormtroopers canonically wrecked by not very well organized rebels time and time again an entire fictional universe can't get their hands on any of it ? Dear lord your fanboyism knows no bounds. We see Finn lie about knowing anything to do with what he claimed and a few has beens and a deserter just wing it aboard this base. Watch the film and quit just making shit up. The Borg take losses but assimilate and adapt to the rest. The Star Wars empire would be now Borg as was the knowledge those characters possessed. Resistance is futile indeed.
No, I do not reclaimed that because it isn't true. They can't even decimate the rebels and are routinely humiliated but someone destroy superior forces just because you say so.
Travel speed not combat speed. They don't fly around attacking at light speed so it isn't relevant and Trek can transport across the galaxy characters and weapons. All shields can be breached eventually and just because they were breached in one manner doesn't mean they can't be breached in other manners without proof. Awful debating. It's like saying since villain cut off heroes head a stab to the heart wouldn't hurt because reasons.
Could flee the area not outdo the ships in combat. That's different. if Han wants to flee combat which he does that's fine the Trek ships will decimate those that are there.
What proof do you have it is more powerful than a supernova ? It destroys planets ? Show me some proof ? It has more shots not just one so you really haven't proven it. You made a baseless claim.
That doesn't a prove it has greater power than a supernova just because it takes the energy from one. Planetary destroying power is all. Red matter can take out a super nova.
The red matter wasn't detonated on the enterprise this will be detonated on the target. Not worried about the pitiful tie fighters that can evade the black hole.
Red matter destroyed a super nova so please stop ignoring the film. Bigger than the Narada.
Completely untrue you ignore the films and make things up all the time.
A super nova. You posting Death Star and starkiller sized things doesn't make the super nova destruction go away in an attempt to ignore the film and downplay the superior tech at play here.
I unlike you post and don't flee from a challenge which seems to be your thing. Sad.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Stormtroopers canonically wrecked by not very well organized rebels time and time again an entire fictional universe can't get their hands on any of it ?
Whaaat? The Rebels were organized and it's noted by Cassio Tagge that they are well equipped and dangerous.
"Until this battlestation is fully operational, we are vulnerable. The Rebel Alliance is too well equipped; they're more dangerous than you realize."- Cassio Tagge, ANH
If the Rebels weren't organized they wouldn't be so equipped and be a noted threat by one of the Empire's top military generals.
If the Rebels weren't organized, they wouldn't have the supplies or manpower to construct two bases and a fleet, much less get support and resources. Yet they clearly did.
Also the Rebellion was on the backfoot throughout the movies alone, the attack on the 2nd Death Star was noted as the Rebellion's most desperate hour.
Originally posted by ZenwolfThey weren't always well organized and in rebels before they linked up with the others routinely humiliated the empire.
Whaaat? The Rebels were organized and it's noted by Cassio Tagge that they are well equipped and dangerous.If the Rebels weren't organized they wouldn't be so equipped and be a noted threat by one of the Empire's top military generals.
If the Rebels weren't organized, they wouldn't have the supplies or manpower to construct two bases and a fleet, much less get support and resources. Yet they clearly did.
Also the Rebellion was on the backfoot throughout the movies alone, the attack on the 2nd Death Star was noted as the Rebellion's most desperate hour.
Sheev never considered them a true threat because they weren't. Both in terms of size and power they were shit compared to their empire but due to overconfidence and incompetence managed to defeat the empire.
The rebellion was pathetic and lucky IMO.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They weren't always well organized and in rebels before they linked up with the others routinely humiliated the empire.Sheev never considered them a true threat because they weren't. Both in terms of size and power they were shit compared to their empire but due to overconfidence and incompetence managed to defeat the empire.
The rebellion was pathetic and lucky IMO.
Which is it? Films or TV here? Were discussing just films right? So bringing up Rebels is pointless.
It was actually more due to luck and The Force, rather than incompetence and overconfidence that they won.
The Attack on the 1st DS wouldn't have worked at all if Luke wasn't there.
2nd DS, it just so happens the Rebels comes across the Ewoks because Chewie got curious about a dead animal. Which gave the Rebel Strike team even a chance. Heck it's even noted in one of the Fact Files, that it was by sheer luck the Rebels even found and befriended the Ewoks.
Originally posted by ZenwolfI just meant in general but since movies only Han Solo routinely humiliated them.
Which is it? Films or TV here? Were discussing just films right? So bringing up Rebels is pointless.It was actually more due to luck and The Force, rather than incompetence and overconfidence that they won.
The Attack on the 1st DS wouldn't have worked at all if Luke wasn't there.
2nd DS, it just so happens the Rebels comes across the Ewoks because Chewie got curious about a dead animal. Which gave the Rebel Strike team even a chance. Heck it's even noted in one of the Fact Files, that it was by sheer luck the Rebels even found and befriended the Ewoks.
Sheev's overconfidence leaving them exposed and not thinking they could pull it off without crushing them is the reason they lost it all IMO,
That's any epic tale when heroes overcome overwhelming odds but the empire had them by the balls and just held back due to the emperor's arrogance.
Sheev allowed the opportunity to take place and set the stage. Huge tactical error when he could have eradicated them all but he would rather risk it all to seduce Luke.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I just meant in general but since movies only Han Solo routinely humiliated them.Sheev's overconfidence leaving them exposed and not thinking they could pull it off without crushing them is the reason they lost it all IMO,
That's any epic tale when heroes overcome overwhelming odds but the empire had them by the balls and just held back due to the emperor's arrogance.
Sheev allowed the opportunity to take place and set the stage. Huge tactical error when he could have eradicated them all but he would rather risk it all to seduce Luke.
Yeah, but then who could account the absurd circumstances that would happen, that enables the Rebels to win?
No one could have expected the Rebel Strike Force on Endor, to just come across the natives, because their big hairy companion was curious about a dead animal.
The Empire would have won the war if it weren't for that one absurd instance.
Palpatine had everything set in place to win otherwise.
Originally posted by ZenwolfThat's just good storytelling making it more epic.
Yeah, but then who could account the absurd circumstances that would happen, that enables the Rebels to win?No one could have expected the Rebel Strike Force on Endor, to just come across the natives, because their big hairy companion was curious about a dead animal.
The Empire would have won the war if it weren't for that one absurd luck instance.
Palpatine had everything set in place to win otherwise.
It shouldn't have been a possibility for the emperor to be so arrogant over one guy when he held the empire in his palm.
Palpatine left himself exposed. Overconfidence. He also didn't think Vader might turn on him. What an idiot.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Who said anything about putting the entirety of Trek in one spot ? How does that make any sense ? You are trying to back off the insane claim five shots could solo Trek. You'd have to comb the streets for anyone who pretended to know anything about both to make such a silly claim. My list proves formidability, power, adaptability, etc. You're too blind to see it.
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I doubt that I have the time and the crayons to explain it to you any better than I did. You claimed that Red Matter protect all of Star Trek from Starkiller Base. Given the long travel times of Star Trek ships and the speed of the shots fired from Starkiller Base, they would need to be in one spot in order for this to work. Otherwise, Starkiller Base just picks them apart one after one. The result will still be the same.
Khan beamed across the galaxy after he attacked Starfleet. Did you watch the film ? Shields aren't impenetrable and oh how I love that red matter. Quit trying to logically think through fiction it makes it boring.
Lmao. He beamed to Kronos, which is a wooping 100 lightyears away from earth. I spot a significant difference between "100 lightyears" and "across the Galaxy". Shields aren't impenetrable, but for Star Trek, Star Wars shields pretty much are. And red matter is pretty much useless.
And while quitting logical thinking is the base premise to your tenure here, others aren't fit (e.g. lobotomized, braindead) to follow your example in that regard.
Why wouldn't their tech work to see anything coming ? So trek is all advanced but anything coming at their planets like a giant energy beam they can't see coming why ? Another one of these just because you say so. Screw logic because Nai loves Star Wars.
What range do their scanners have? They can't even figure out what happens some lightyears ahead of them in the first of the new Star Trek movies. So how would they spot what happens half a Galaxy away? And of course they will see it - mere seconds before impact, pretty much just like the people in the movie.
Oh so despite Han Solo parading around the galaxy and Stormtroopers canonically wrecked by not very well organized rebels time and time again an entire fictional universe can't get their hands on any of it ?
Because, and please wrap your head around it, STAR WARS IS SUPERIOR TO STAR TREK IN TERMS OF COMBAT. They Rebels are fighting the Empire with tech that is compareable to that of the Empire. Next to that, everything that Star Trek has to offer in terms of combat looks like toys. And, pray tell, how would Borg get their hands on anything, if we start with the fact that they are never going to make it through SW shielding. They can't enter ships, they can't conquer planets and will be vaporized by every battleship that comes their way, while all others could simply avoid them.
Dear lord your fanboyism knows no bounds. We see Finn lie about knowing anything to do with what he claimed and a few has beens and a deserter just wing it aboard this base. Watch the film and quit just making shit up. The Borg take losses but assimilate and adapt to the rest. The Star Wars empire would be now Borg as was the knowledge those characters possessed. Resistance is futile indeed.
Trying to beat sense into your hollow skull appears to be futile.
Again: Han flies through the shields with speed above speed of light. He has a split second of time between making it through the shield and hitting the ground of the base. What pilot with what spacecraft in the Star Trek universe would be capable of performing such manouver? I'm waiting for an answer.
No, I do not reclaimed that because it isn't true. They can't even decimate the rebels and are routinely humiliated but someone destroy superior forces just because you say so.
Did I just mention that, unlike Star Trek, the Rebels have technology compareable to that of the Empire? And "getting humiliated"? Let me check:
1) A new hope: Impossible shot from a Force user saves the day. Without that: Destruction of Yavin 4, end of the Rebellion.
2) The Empire Strikes Back: No humiliation to be seen.
3) Return of the Jedi: Cockiness of the Emperor (holding his entire fleet back) and the betrayal of Vader turns this into a lose for the Empire.
I don't see much happening based on technology here, which - gosh - was the original topic.
Travel speed not combat speed. They don't fly around attacking at light speed so it isn't relevant and Trek can transport across the galaxy characters and weapons. All shields can be breached eventually and just because they were breached in one manner doesn't mean they can't be breached in other manners without proof. Awful debating. It's like saying since villain cut off heroes head a stab to the heart wouldn't hurt because reasons.
It's nice that you finally realized how awful your debating it.
Again, for starters and people with the IQ of a mushroom: Who cares about combat speed, if combat will never be initialized by the Trek side, due to travel speed of SW? Furthermore: Star Trek also can't fight on "lightspeed" if there targets aren't on lightspeed, demonstrated in every single space battle in Star Trek. So, it would look something like that:
Starkiller Base goes to system X - Trek tries to pursue - Starkiller Base destroys planet(s) and vanishes from the spot, months or even years before Star Trek would be capable of reaching it. Repeat until Trek is finished.
And, yes, shields can be breached. Unfortunatelly, you'd need to go there with spaceships in order to breach them, which doesn't really work well with "beaming people across the Galaxy" onto some bases. And even if they had spaceships above Starkiller Base, it's highly doubtable that they would make it through the shields.
Could flee the area not outdo the ships in combat. That's different. if Han wants to flee combat which he does that's fine the Trek ships will decimate those that are there.
There will be none there. Which is the entire fun of it. And how, pray tell, do you hit a relatively stationary target while you are on FTL speed yourself? This is impossible and hence never happens in Star Trek where they move to rather slow speeds when engaging in direct combat, compared to those "pursuit on Warp battles". 😂
What proof do you have it is more powerful than a supernova ? It destroys planets ? Show me some proof ? It has more shots not just one so you really haven't proven it. You made a baseless claim.
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You do realize that it takes out multiple planets with the single time it is fired, correct? It produces multible beams, that can travel over a distance of 25,000 lightyears in minutes.
That doesn't a prove it has greater power than a supernova just because it takes the energy from one. Planetary destroying power is all. Red matter can take out a super nova.
Lmao. Hey. It just drains a star, then adds Dark Matter, but, somehow, it is still less powerful than the star. That's your argument? 😂
The red matter wasn't detonated on the enterprise this will be detonated on the target. Not worried about the pitiful tie fighters that can evade the black hole.Red matter destroyed a super nova so please stop ignoring the film. Bigger than the Narada.
Completely untrue you ignore the films and make things up all the time.
A super nova. You posting Death Star and starkiller sized things doesn't make the super nova destruction go away in an attempt to ignore the film and downplay the superior tech at play here.
That it can absorb energy from a supernova doesn't mean it can instantly destroy physical objects by far greater than it in terms of size: The Narada itself would be a good example, provided even the "black hole" as big as the thing can't do the jobs in the matter of seconds. Even more funny: You do realize that Spock and the Narada travel through the "black hole" that Spock created with the red matter, right? So its ability to destroy space ships or rather giant space stations are pretty much questionable - not to say, they don't exist. 😂
I unlike you post and don't flee from a challenge which seems to be your thing. Sad.
You just post bullshit and I'm merely fleeing from your stupidity, fearing it may be contagious, you personification of "comic sans". And now save your breath. You're going to need it to blow up your girlfriend later.
And what "challenge" by the way? The only challenge that you could compete in is "trolling the internet for mentally challenged people". And even there, your average vegetable would soundly defeat you, if it were capable of typing.
Why is this debate even happening? With Hyperdrive Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers can appear at any Star Trek planets, annihilate them, and hyperdrive out before there's any retaliation. They can do this in quick succession until there is no intelligent life in Star Trek. All that would be left are Borg.
Originally posted by NaiI claimed red matter would take out Starkiller. Starkiller needs time and stars to function. You ignore this critical details high gave the rebels time to strike and negate this overrated base. A few guys showed up and did what was necessary to weaken it for Poe to critically damage it. Transporting is also an option for Trek.
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I doubt that I have the time and the crayons to explain it to you any better than I did. You claimed that Red Matter protect all of Star Trek from Starkiller Base. Given the long travel times of Star Trek ships and the speed of the shots fired from Starkiller Base, they would need to be in one spot in order for this to work. Otherwise, Starkiller Base just picks them apart one after one. The result will still be the same.Lmao. He beamed to Kronos, which is a wooping 100 lightyears away from earth. I spot a significant difference between "100 lightyears" and "across the Galaxy". Shields aren't impenetrable, but for Star Trek, Star Wars shields pretty much are. And red matter is pretty much useless.
And while quitting logical thinking is the base premise to your tenure here, others aren't fit (e.g. lobotomized, braindead) to follow your example in that regard.
What range do their scanners have? They can't even figure out what happens some lightyears ahead of them in the first of the new Star Trek movies. So how would they spot what happens half a Galaxy away? And of course they will see it - mere seconds before impact, pretty much just like the people in the movie.
Because, and please wrap your head around it, [b]STAR WARS IS SUPERIOR TO STAR TREK IN TERMS OF COMBAT
. They Rebels are fighting the Empire with tech that is compareable to that of the Empire. Next to that, everything that Star Trek has to offer in terms of combat looks like toys. And, pray tell, how would Borg get their hands on anything, if we start with the fact that they are never going to make it through SW shielding. They can't enter ships, they can't conquer planets and will be vaporized by every battleship that comes their way, while all others could simply avoid them.Trying to beat sense into your hollow skull appears to be futile.
Again: Han flies through the shields with speed above speed of light. He has a split second of time between making it through the shield and hitting the ground of the base. What pilot with what spacecraft in the Star Trek universe would be capable of performing such manouver? I'm waiting for an answer.Did I just mention that, unlike Star Trek, the Rebels have technology compareable to that of the Empire? And "getting humiliated"? Let me check:
1) A new hope: Impossible shot from a Force user saves the day. Without that: Destruction of Yavin 4, end of the Rebellion.
2) The Empire Strikes Back: No humiliation to be seen.
3) Return of the Jedi: Cockiness of the Emperor (holding his entire fleet back) and the betrayal of Vader turns this into a lose for the Empire.I don't see much happening based on technology here, which - gosh - was the original topic.
It's nice that you finally realized how awful your debating it.
Again, for starters and people with the IQ of a mushroom: Who cares about combat speed, if combat will never be initialized by the Trek side, due to travel speed of SW? Furthermore: Star Trek also can't fight on "lightspeed" if there targets aren't on lightspeed, demonstrated in every single space battle in Star Trek. So, it would look something like that:Starkiller Base goes to system X - Trek tries to pursue - Starkiller Base destroys planet(s) and vanishes from the spot, months or even years before Star Trek would be capable of reaching it. Repeat until Trek is finished.
And, yes, shields can be breached. Unfortunatelly, you'd need to go there with spaceships in order to breach them, which doesn't really work well with "beaming people across the Galaxy" onto some bases. And even if they had spaceships above Starkiller Base, it's highly doubtable that they would make it through the shields.
There will be none there. Which is the entire fun of it. And how, pray tell, do you hit a relatively stationary target while you are on FTL speed yourself? This is impossible and hence never happens in Star Trek where they move to rather slow speeds when engaging in direct combat, compared to those "pursuit on Warp battles". 😂
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You do realize that it takes out multiple planets with the single time it is fired, correct? It produces multible beams, that can travel over a distance of 25,000 lightyears in minutes.Lmao. Hey. It just drains a star, then adds Dark Matter, but, somehow, it is still less powerful than the star. That's your argument? 😂 nd later.
And what "challenge" by the way? The only challenge that you could compete in is "trolling the internet for mentally challenged people". And even there, your average vegetable would soundly defeat you, if it were capable of typing. [/B]
So a hundred light years away isn't across the galaxy ? Based off what ? I give you an example and you ignore it. Their shields aren't impenetrable in any way, shape, or form. And red matter is useless because you say so. Facts and arguments matter not you just stating yeah it is useless without proving it.
A personal attack isn't debating or an actual point so please relax. I hate when posters get so emotional they lash out. Control yourself it's rather embarrassing seeing you flame your way out of a losing cause.
This is all tech and hundreds of years in the future not just stuck in the NuTrek films. Hell, they can use time travel you nitwit. The Borg are here, kiddo. Star Wars isn't the most prepared place or advanced. It's just big guns, same old tie fighters, destroyers. Trek can time travel, adapt, assimilate, take out super novas, reform nebulas, etc. they are obviously going to target their big weapons. Federation, Borg, Klinon Empire, Romulans, Augments, etc. all work together and in Trek when this occurs it's something awesome.
Based off what is Star Wars superior to Star Trek ? I get they so war well but they don't progress well. Star Trek progresses well. We see the upgrade in a combat ship from the Enterprise to the Vengeance. Three times the speed and twice the size manned by one man if need be. That's a vast improvement.
No, the rebels don't have any tech comparable to the empire. They had nothing to rival the Death Star or the Star Killer base. Are you kidding me ? The USS Vengeance would maul any destroyer or super destroyer which has the combat maneuverability of a snail. How many men need to man that and how slow is that maneuverability wise ? You saying they can't make it throu the shielding is laughable since you haven't proven a damn thing. Is your crazy wishful thinking rant over ? The MF can evade the Star Wars ships without Han even piloting but fixing his crappy ship. The Narada would maul these ships like a knife through butter. They will also have thousands of smaller ships wrecking shop all around.
That was one way to breach the shields not the only way. Do you feel a black hole can't destroy those shields ? Serious question. Han was baffled when another noob Rey fixed his ship despite years of manning that craft. Borg version of Han.
1). It was not impossible it happened. I didn't see much of a defense from the tie fighters to ward off the rebel attacks. How many ships came to its defense ?
2) Han's escape iirc while fixing his pile of shit ship.
3) yes, their leader is an idiot which doesn't help matters. He provided the opportunity to be beaten by an inferior force.
Red matter, Narada, USS Vengeance, Borg Cube, Genesis, Vger, etc.
How won't combat speed be realized ? Once they leave light speed they are susceptible to attack and that's the speed in which they are engaged in combat. Wars may flee at light speed but that's what they do well. Flee from Trek. Once they engage they are going to get torn through. Trek ships in combat>>>Wars ships. Faster combat maneuverable wise and more impressive on screen.
Transports to system and red matters it. Done. Transports is faster than light travel, dumb dumb.
I haven't Even gotten into the size of Vger.
Trek decimates the Wars ships in combat. They don't move anywhere near close to light speed in combat. Warp speed is far faster than their combat speed.
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I do realize they can transport far faster than these beams can travel and once they'd fire this weapon once they'd have to drain another star which takes a considerable amount of time. They only managed to take out five targets before their super weapon was destroyed mainly by the help of a geriatric and a custodial stormtrooper.
It didn't show the power of a super nova did it ? It's multi planetary destroying but the red matter destroyed an actual super nova. Super nova >>>planet.
They were transported back in time thus eliminating them from this matchup either way. They are gone for good either way from that time period.
Oh Nai another lame attempt at a personal insult. Run, flee, hit the deck I'm here to crush your flimsy and fanatical arguments.
You posted in the challenge thread Ellimist accepted. You wanted to neuter Star Trek and forget the third film which is going to bolster the numbers I need to crush the OT in glorious fashion.
Originally posted by Chosen_SithBased on what ? Is this just let's name any ridiculous thing and pretend Star Wars is this formidable machine beyond Trek when that isn't the case at all. Be serious for a moment. Wars has looked pathetic against primitive people. The Stormtroopers got their asses kicked by ewoks for ****s sake.
Why is this debate even happening? With Hyperdrive Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers can appear at any Star Trek planets, annihilate them, and hyperdrive out before there's any retaliation. They can do this in quick succession until there is no intelligent life in Star Trek. All that would be left are Borg.