Originally posted by BeniboyblingNot when you consider, *gasp*, that Bane has researched well more than Revan's holocron.
This isn't a counter-argument lol, your just evading the point. Bane is barely able to comprehend the knowledge in Revan's holocron, itself paling in comparison to the knowledge Vitiate possesses. So to suggest that nonetheless he has a superior understanding of the Force besides that is yes, absurd.
Er no? I'm telling you that in an absence of stated contexts as to what its referring to, we are free to assume contexts, as you yourself have done. ermOr, yeno, Occam's Razor. If it says anyone, and it isn't written in context, it probably means anyone.
Do you read? I've covered this already:That doesn't imply that it's referring exclusively to PoD. If anything, "changing the Sith Order forever" implies that the scope of Bane's knowledge and power is so far-reaching that the Sith Order will never again regress to where it's been in the past.
And this article was written before Drew's Bane Trilogy?Yup.
Actually, the ones supporting this quote are the ones who like to openly shit on Bane. But they're backing the statement firstly because it would make them massive ****ing hypocrites to dismiss this statement while championing Sidious universe-busting and secondly because then they could reasonably argue that the PT >>>>> every era before via RoT progression and shit on Vitiate and TOR.
Originally posted by NephthysWell, yeah. I don't dismiss evidence based on preference. And it's not a case of "could" as much as "have, am, and will continue to do so" 😉.
Actually, the ones supporting this quote are the ones who like to openly shit on Bane. But they're backing the statement firstly because it would make them massive ****ing hypocrites to dismiss this statement while championing Sidious universe-busting and secondly because then they could reasonably argue that the PT >>>>> every era before via RoT progression and shit on Vitiate and TOR.
Originally posted by ILSNot by PoD. 😉
Not when you consider, *gasp*, that Bane has researched well more than Revan's holocron.
Or, yeno, Occam's Razor. If it says anyone, and it isn't written in context, it probably means anyone.Yes and how does Occam's Razor go again? That the simplest explanation is the most logical one. So is that the one that fits with the source material, or the one that completely overturns not only our understanding of this character, but everyone else that came after him?
I'll leave you to stew on that one.
That doesn't imply that it's referring exclusively to PoD. If anything, "changing the Sith Order forever" implies that the scope of Bane's knowledge and power is so far-reaching that the Sith Order will never again regress to where it's been in the past.What was that fun technique again? Oh yes Occam's Razor, obviously by that logic the radical overturn of Sith philosophy and the destruction of the self-destructive Brotherhood of Darkness is far more likely what's being referred to here, as it had an infinitely greater impact on the Order that what other bits of knowledge Bane might have accumulated post-PoD (which he'd never have been in a position to do so without instituting the Rule of Two in the first place). Especially when the bulk of the article is essentially focused on describing that triumph.
Yup.Well that would introduce a third option, a retcon. 🙂
Originally posted by BeniboyblingYou kind of need to establish that it doesn't "fit with the source material" first, which you haven't managed.
Yes and how does Occam's Razor go again? That the simplest explanation is the most logical one. So is that the one that fits with the source material, or the one that completely overturns not only our understanding of this character, but everyone else that came after him?
What was that fun technique again? Oh yes Occam's Razor, obviously by that logic the radical overturn of Sith philosophy and the destruction of the self-destructive Brotherhood of Darkness is far more likely what's being referred to hereAccording to you. According to the quote it refers to Bane being better than anyone and changing the Sith Order forever.
Which sounds less like an assumption based on personal whim. mmm
as it had an infinitely greater impact on the Order that what other bits of knowledge Bane might have accumulated post-PoD (which he'd never have been in a position to do so without instituting the Rule of Two in the first place). Especially when the bulk of the article is essentially focused on describing that triumph.In order to change the Order forever and successfully kickstart the RoT, Bane needed more than Revan's holocron. He had the idea but not the means to implement it. So no, the implication isn't what you want it to be just because you choose to reach in that direction. 😱
Originally posted by Nephthys
"Well, yeah I'm just doing it to shit on TOR. I don't dismiss evidence cuz I want to."uMMMM.....
Originally posted by PetrusTake as long as you need to process the new paradigm.
If seen from ILS's perspective, that quote would pretty much mean that Bane > Vitiate./quotedismissed
If seen from Beni's perspective, the quote actually makes sense.
/quoteaccepted
It's that simple.
Originally posted by ILSIt says he gained more knowledge and mastery over those prior to him, then used that "knowledge and skill" to change the Sith Order forever; these clauses aren't independent, and the change that is being referred to is laughably obvious. 😬
According to you. According to the quote it refers to Bane being better than anyone and changing the Sith Order forever.Which sounds less like an assumption based on personal whim. mmm
In order to change the Order forever and successfully kickstart the RoT, Bane needed more than Revan's holocron. He had the idea but not the means to implement it. So no, the implication isn't what you want it to be just because you choose to reach in that direction. 😱Right, it required strength in the Force as well i.e. "mastery of Sith techniques", as the source states, not seeing the contradiction here.