Originally posted by The EllimistTrue, but again its what's most likely being referred to. Especially considering Zannah's own success was partly because of her personal study of Sith magic and the intuition of the Grand Plan was more a product of galactic scheming than knowledge and mastery over Sith techniques, all of it by-products of instituting the Rule of Two in the first place.
It's not just instituting the rule that changed the sith order, it was an ongoing process with training Zannah and setting the Grand Plan in motion.
But that brings to my attention to another key point; Bane could neither understand nor master the ancient Sith magic Zannah was able to, something he expresses several times. E.g.
Practicing in secret, she had progressed far beyond Bane's expectations, learning new spells to unleash the dark side in ways he had never even imagined.
--Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil
This being knowledge Zannah gained from Freedon Nadd, which would make Nadd, Bane's forerunner, more knowledgeable and masterful in Sith techniques than he was even in his prime. 😉
Beni, I like how you cut out the part of the quote right before that that says Zannah in addition to what Bane gave her sought out her own sources of knowledge and that that's what she practiced in secret.
"He had given her ancient texts filled with arcane rituals, urging her to expand her knowledge and push the boundaries of her talent. He had directed her training so that she could achieve her full potential. But he did not realize just how far she had come. In addition to the tomes her Master had provided, Zannah had sought out her own sources of hidden Sith knowledge over the years. Practicing in secret, she had progressed far beyond Bane's expectations, learning new spells to unleash the dark side in ways he had never even imagined."
But I guess the context isn't important to Beni because... reasons?
Originally posted by Nephthys
More awesome than the guy said to have mastered every technique? Or the guy who studied the dark side for 1400 years? Just in the limited sections he could acquire, while they could master everything?
Every technique a long time ago, maybe. Bane's gotten every meaningful holocron plus "modern" arts and maybe some of his own.
Amulets barely mattered to his power whereas Exar Kun and Marka Ragnos, both of whom Vitiate viewed as threats, relied extensively on them.
Face it; Sidious > Plagueis > Tenebrous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zannah > Bane > Valkorion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Hero. 👆
Originally posted by EmperordmbWhat's your point? The statement in question says that Bane gained greater knowledge and mastery over the Sith techniques that anyone who came before him. That fact that he possessed knowledge of Sith techniques, which doesn't even prove he understood then (FYI: he didn't) certainly doesn't prove he mastered them (FYI: he didn't.)
Beni, I like how you cut out the part of the quote right before that that says Zannah in addition to what Bane gave her sought out her own sources of knowledge and that that's what she practiced in secret."He had given her ancient texts filled with arcane rituals, urging her to expand her knowledge and push the boundaries of her talent. He had directed her training so that she could achieve her full potential. But he did not realize just how far she had come. In addition to the tomes her Master had provided, Zannah had sought out her own sources of hidden Sith knowledge over the years. Practicing in secret, she had progressed far beyond Bane's expectations, learning new spells to unleash the dark side in ways he had never even imagined."
But I guess the context isn't important to Beni because... reasons?
So maybe I ommitted it because... its irrelevant?
EDIT: And seeing as this is all ancient Sith knowledge, more Sith above Bane I guess?
Originally posted by The EllimistI think the most likely explanation is that its referring to the Brotherhood of Sith. Or alternatively, its been retconned. 👆
I don't get it; if PoD Bane > all previous sith doesn't make sense, why do you think that's the most likely interpretation? It's almost like there's some circular reasoning going on here...
And Bane acknowledges sorcery as one of his weaknesses, that doesn't mean he's incapable overall.No no he is:
"Dark side sorcery was complex; it attacked the psyche in ways that were difficult to explain and even more difficult to defend against. Bane had no talent for it, yet he had done his best to study the techniques. What he learned was that the only real counter was the victim's strength of will."
The best grasp Bane is able to gain over sorcery is how to counter it, and his counter is pretty feeble at best, this doesn't constitute ability at all. Certainly not on the level of Freedon Nadd, or any of the other ancient Sith.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Every technique a long time ago, maybe. Bane's gotten every meaningful holocron plus "modern" arts and maybe some of his own.Amulets barely mattered to his power whereas Exar Kun and Marka Ragnos, both of whom Vitiate viewed as threats, relied extensively on them.
Face it; Sidious > Plagueis > Tenebrous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zannah > Bane > Valkorion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Hero. 👆
Actually I think the quote says that he knows every technique in all the sourcebooks, plus those undiscovered as of yet. Pretty large pool. And the "modern" force techniques of the Brotherhood were insignificant compared to the Ancient Siths knowledge. No technique of theirs is ever used by Bane that I can recall except for the basics.
Ragnos used a scepter, actually. And that scepter was ridiculously powerful. And Kun barely used his amulet. His best feats are without it tbh.
The quote says he gained more power than anyone before him. Bane > Abeloth, lol?
Originally posted by ILS
So, your gripe is that "anyone", a word that is in no way vague, is vague. Awesome. Dismissed.
😬 no my gripe with the quote its how it's being taken at face value.
Anyone that came before him...
That could mean the anyone who came before him within the Dark brotherhood, OR the Sith Lords in general.
It's a vague and ridiculous quote, as this would imply that all of a sudden Bane>Nihilus, Valkorion, Revan, HoT, Nox, Wrath, Exar Kun etc which already made me laugh for even suggesting it.
I'm curious, what's your take on this quote, ILS?
@Beni, lost cause bud. Move on and ignore
Originally posted by Nargaroth
👆Yeah, by that logic Palpatine's adepts>> Maul, given that they studied sorcery and were masters of alchemy as well.
In terms of Sorcery/Alchemy? Of course they would be greater than Maul, given he has never delved into that field.
I wouldn't say overall though, just in that department.