I see Vader fans don't even believe he wins, they just want him to, and if I were to revert to the sophistric tactics used by batters on the other side, then Vader is not even capable of ragdolling Ezra in the center of some rather potent Dark-side energy : click me
LMAO Beni, how many times have you lost this argument against, AP, Nai and now myself. As it stands,
There in front of him, starkly visible against the blackness of space, he could see the faint images of Emperor Palpatine and Exar Kun, two of the greatest focal points of the dark side he’d ever had to face. They were standing there before him, gazing back at him. And laughing.
I don't see Daddy being mentioned there and Luke isn't afraid to have fever dreams of his daddy in his Darth Vader garments :
" Determined to root out those behind the mayhem, Jacen follows a trail of cryptic clues to a dark rendezvous with the most shocking of revelations—while Luke grapples with something even more troubling: dream visions of a shadowy figure whose Force power and ruthlessness remind him of Darth Vader—a lethal enemy who strikes like a dark spirit on a mission of doom. An agent of evil who, if Luke's visions come to pass, will bring untold pain to the Jedi Master—and to the entire galaxy.
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Meanwhile Luke grapples with something even more troubling: dream visions of a shadowy figure whose Force power and ruthlessness remind him of Darth Vader."
-- Legacy of the Force: Betrayal
Originally posted by ZiggystardustI think the count stands at zero, lol.
LMAO Beni, how many times have you lost this argument against, AP, Nai and now myself. As it stands,
As for the number of times that quote has been debunked only to be resurrected again by some hapless hack, too many. To be brief on top of what Urs said Vader is hardly going to be laughing at Luke when he was redeemed by Luke to the light. And him dreaming about a guy that reminded him of Vader (Caedus) is not the same as being haunted by Vader himself, a demon he was put to bed.
I see you still like taking things out of context. Luke was sh!tting himself at the thought of another person who could rival/surpass Vader, and he even notes said person can bring him and the galaxy great pain:
" An agent of evil who, if Luke's visions come to pass, will bring untold pain to the Jedi Master -- and to the entire galaxy."
-- Legacy of the Force: Betrayal
The Sedriss comparison still stands, however. Ood isn't drawing on the surface, but rather from the core, which remains untouched. And he needed to kamikaze on QL, as oppose to him just knocking Kun on his arse and summoning a barrier the Dark Lord couldn't get through.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I think the count stands at zero, lol.
every time you've had this argument
As for the number of times that quote has been debunked only to be resurrected again by some hapless hack, too many. To be brief on top of what Urs said Vader is hardly going to be laughing at Luke when he was redeemed by Luke to the light. And him dreaming about a guy that reminded him of Vader (Caedus) is not the same as being haunted by Vader himself, a demon he was put to bed. [/B]
It absolutely does, it shows us that he still compares people to his daddy, remembering the focal point of Dark Energy that manifested in front of him in his early days. And by the way, these literally aren't spirits of people who are laughing at him, Palaptine and Kun are both long gone - so these are memories. I could just argue that people who Luke did eventually manage to vanquish - with help - shouldn't be laughing at him either. And it's a comparison that means Kun is closer to Sidious than he is Vader, as he was intended to be.
Originally posted by MythLordThe Sedriss comparison still stands, however. Ood isn't drawing on the surface, but rather from the core, which remains untouched. And he needed to kamikaze on QL, as oppose to him just knocking Kun on his arse and summoning a barrier the Dark Lord couldn't get through.
Wrong, The Sedriss comparison doesn't stand when you realise Kun wasn't killed or even visibly harmed. The only comparison you can make between them was that Sedriss died where Kun did not.