Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Until Rose cukblocked his heroic sacrifice at the last moment because Moist Vagina!!! [/B]

Rose’ sister sacrificed herself to destroy the enemy, which was ultimately useless. So when Finn is doing the same thing in the end, Rose does what she couldn’t do for her sister and stops him.

The moral here is that protecting the things you love is more important than destroying the things you hate

^^^ Another reason TLJ is a misunderstood masterpiece ^^^

Are you retarded?

Finn was sacrificing himself to SAVE the Rebels - he wasn't flying at the cannon out of some frenzied hate for the First Order. Playing around with words doesn't change reality.

In order to be a consistent, rational human being, you should apply your logic to the Purple-Haired Clown's sacrifice as well - her death was inconsequential and motivated by "hate".

^^^ Another reason TLJ is a misunderstood masterpiece ^^^

Yes, it is a master piece of shit.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
nope.. the people all over the world have spoken... they like it despite the hate. deal with it... then again I wil probably put you on ignore so i do not have read anything you say...

Where is the Problem. Those who like it pay for it and rate it good. Those who don't should rate it bad and stop wasting their money. If Disney still thinks the 9th one made enough, well more power to them.

As a child of the 80ties i noticed some things. Current big movies are no art, they are pure sales oriented. Marketing is the cancer of Art. Before studios gave the artists more freedom, calculated the risk and hoped for the best. Now they can't afford taking risks so they analyse tha target groups, see where they can make the most money and try to get it,with any means possible.

My advice to disappointed fans. Stop giving Disney in general money, influence yourfriends to follow your example. If they notice the loss they will suck your di..wallet and do what pleases you.

Me, after watching The Last Jedi:

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Where is the Problem. Those who like it pay for it and rate it good. Those who don't should rate it bad and stop wasting their money. If Disney still thinks the 9th one made enough, well more power to them.

As a child of the 80ties i noticed some things. Current big movies are no art, they are pure sales oriented. Marketing is the cancer of Art. Before studios gave the artists more freedom, calculated the risk and hoped for the best. Now they can't afford taking risks so they analyse tha target groups, see where they can make the most money and try to get it,with any means possible.

My advice to disappointed fans. Stop giving Disney in general money, influence yourfriends to follow your example. If they notice the loss they will suck your di..wallet and do what pleases you.

I know many fans who didn't like it but still watched it several times. Only after giving it a few chances does it sink in that they *really* don't like it.

Pretty stupid, but it happens. The "problem" here is that Disney is coasting on Star Wars' brand name/legacy - people are going to watch it anyway, at least for now. If they don't fix Han Solo, and Episode 9, then I think there will be consequences. There is a lag in the market feedback, and IMO, generally people have a high tolerance.

In the case that Kathleen Kennedy is still overseeing things, then it will almost be a guaranteed fail, which I would not be unhappy about. FYI - Kathleen is a backstabbing witch. She pretended that they (Lucasfilm) would be interested in George Lucas' ideas, then once the deal went through, basically told him to f off. That's just business I guess. The other thing is how she and Rian (director) treated Mark. My theory is they killed off Luke in the movie in retaliation for Mark Hamill's criticism of the treatment of his character. It is not surprising that Luke had to end one way or another, but he must have been deceived, because he was clearly pissed/in disbelief after watching it for the first time at the premiere. Also for those (i.e. normal people) who don't like the not-so-subtle SJW themes, you can be assured Kathleen is pulling all the strings.

It's time to let the bad things die, kill it if you have to.

I won't be watching anything Star Wars at the theatres in the near future. If you can see TLJ for the POS that it really is, then you shouldn't either. Your ticket purchase only enables further garbage like this.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Yeah those damn sjws casting women in lead roles and including characters of different races!! How dare those ****ers, am I right?

For real though, can someone explain how Episode 8 is ruined by sjws because I don't get it.

I must disagree. This is a beautiful, electrifying movie with boldness and confidence in itself. It seems to me the Star Wars fundamentalists are too much clouded by their own expectations and baggage to evaluate this film on its actual merits.

GTFO with that copy/paste straw man attacking someone's character because they dislike an agenda ruining a classic franchise. And yes there was an agenda. "The force is female" Smh

No one cares about the overweight female of Asian descent or the token African-American. Despite not really adding anything to the story. It's this running theme to ruin everything with some bullshit and unnecessary message under the guise of progress. That's why some dislike SJWs.

'Last Jedi' Grosses Are Collapsing With The Worst Daily Holds Of All 9 Star Wars Movies
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/22/last-jedi-daily-grosses-are-swiftly-collapsing-the-worst-holds-of-all-9-star-wars-movies/amp/

I'm curious how it will hold up. This data isn't great because it's based off percentages from BO and isn't really relative in a meaningful way.

Originally posted by Placidity
I know many fans who didn't like it but still watched it several times. Only after giving it a few chances does it sink in that they *really* don't like it.

That's quite normal with Star Wars films. TPM was a monster hit back in it's day. So even the haters must have watched it a couple of times.

Same with TFA. I know my brother saw it 3 times on the big screen before deciding he hated it.

It's just one of several reasons you can't just look at box office to decide "Everyone Loves" a film.

Works the other way around as well. If we just look at box office then X-Men First Class would seem the worst received of the X-Men films, when in actual fact it reignited some excitement back into that franchise after 4 Wolverine films progressively getting worse and worse.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Finn was fine in TFA (even though he had some annoying moments). Name some scenes in TLJ that Finn shined in? I'm waiting.

Yep. Finn was the highlight of TFA for me, but in this he was a seriously boring character.

And I'm one of those who dislikes TFA but likes TLJ.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Yeah those damn sjws casting women in lead roles and including characters of different races!! How dare those ****ers, am I right?

For real though, can someone explain how Episode 8 is ruined by sjws because I don't get it.

Again for me personally, I loved R1 which had a female lead.

But Rey just asks to be labelled a Mary Sue. With literally no training, never having even met a Jedi, she's out maneuvering Imperial Tie Fighters, doing Jedi Mind Tricks, Telekinesis AND getting into Lightsaber fights.

If she just did 1 of those things, then I'd chalk it down to that being her particular talent. But she was doing every damn Jedi move without ANY damn training at all.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
'Last Jedi' Grosses Are Collapsing With The Worst Daily Holds Of All 9 Star Wars Movies
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/22/last-jedi-daily-grosses-are-swiftly-collapsing-the-worst-holds-of-all-9-star-wars-movies/amp/

I'm curious how it will hold up. This data isn't great because it's based off percentages from BO and isn't really relative in a meaningful way.

That's not exactly good news though.

Originally posted by Placidity
Are you retarded?

Finn was sacrificing himself to SAVE the Rebels - he wasn't flying at the cannon out of some frenzied hate for the First Order. Playing around with words doesn't change reality.

In order to be a consistent, rational human being, you should apply your logic to the Purple-Haired Clown's sacrifice as well - her death was inconsequential and motivated by "hate".

Yes, it is a master piece of shit.

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Originally posted by Placidity
Are you retarded?

That’s a good way to make someone listen to your point, start off by insulting them 👆

Originally posted by Placidity
Finn was sacrificing himself to SAVE the Rebels - he wasn't flying at the cannon out of some frenzied hate for the First Order. Playing around with words doesn't change reality.

Finn’s arc goes from self-serving to self-sacrifice.

Rose’s arc meanwhile goes from her sister’s needless sacrifice to saving Finn from committing a needless sacrifice.

If you’ll remember the rebels were being picked off like flies and it became a suicide run. Finn was sacrificing himself in a losing battle. So when Rose crashed into him, she was protecting the thing she loves. FOR HER, protecting what you love is more important than destroying a cannon or destroying an enemy ship.

Originally posted by Placidity
In order to be a consistent, rational human being, you should apply your logic to the Purple-Haired Clown's sacrifice as well - her death was inconsequential and motivated by "hate".

This is a good point. I would argue that Holdo’s sacrifice is not a part of Rose’s arc and lives in a completely different context. She’s the leader on the sinking ship motif. I think the purpose of Holdo is to break down the traditional black and white morality of Star Wars characters. She is immediately declared a villain by the story’s hero Poe and so the audience accepts it. By the end we must come to grips with the fact that our heroes were in the wrong and the villain was the good guy. This introduces the idea of greyness as opposed to BLACK and WHITE into the SW Universe.

The greyness idea is the whole purpose of Benicio Del Toro’s character and the Rose Finn subplot. The evil rich arms dealers were making money off the First Order AND the rebellion. Del Toro was a good guy who inevitably made a deal with the devil.

^^^ This is even more evidence of the mastery of TLJ ^^^

Originally posted by Placidity
Yes, it is a master piece of shit.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
GTFO with that copy/paste straw man attacking someone's character because they dislike an agenda ruining a classic franchise. And yes there was an agenda. "The force is female" Smh

No one cares about the overweight female of Asian descent or the token African-American. Despite not really adding anything to the story. It's this running theme to ruin everything with some bullshit and unnecessary message under the guise of progress. That's why some dislike SJWs.

And perhaps I could understand your complaint if TLJ was about racism or sexism, but it isn’t. You can’t be angry just because a movie includes other races and sexes, come on man. Rose’s character has NOTHING to do with her being Asian, she could’ve been white or Hispanic and it wouldn’t change the story. Finn’s character has nothing to do with his race either. Rey is treated like a normal character in TLJ.

This SJW complaining is ridiculous imo, including different kinds of people in film should be standard practice. As great as white dudes are, nobody wants a movie with only white dudes in it right?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Again for me personally, I loved R1 which had a female lead.

But Rey just asks to be labelled a Mary Sue. With literally no training, never having even met a Jedi, she's out maneuvering Imperial Tie Fighters, doing Jedi Mind Tricks, Telekinesis AND getting into Lightsaber fights.

If she just did 1 of those things, then I'd chalk it down to that being her particular talent. But she was doing every damn Jedi move without ANY damn training at all.

And Rey levitating rocks at the end is there to prove Luke Skywalker’s last point, that he’s not the Last Jedi. I thought it was ****ing wonderful

Finn's guns were shown melting. His sacrifice probably wasn't going to work and its apparent imo that he was just in full "fvck the FO" mode like Poe was at the start of the movie without thinking of the actual realities of the situation.

Which isn't to say either were bad people for doing so. Both were ultimately trying to save the Rebellion in their own way but the movie suggests both were wrong to do so.

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Finn like Poe wasn't acting rationally, and Rose like Leia brought him back to reality.

Originally posted by Firefly218
She did all those crazy things in Force Awakens, not in TLJ.

Yeah but TLJ is a continuation of TFA, but chose to ignore those issues, as if they weren't issues at all. So she's still that Mary Sue.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Last Jedi brings her crashing down, tells her she isn’t special and clearly shows her inexperience. This complaint does not work for TLJ.

Where is she brought crashing down? Where did her inexperience really bite her in the butt? Against Snoke? She was just fine, she had Kylo there to help her out. And then she fights alongside him, and against him as if they're just equals or something.

Of course she's special. The Force has chosen her to balance out Kylo's darkness. So what if her parents were losers.

Originally posted by Firefly218
And Rey levitating rocks at the end is there to prove Luke Skywalker’s last point, that he’s not the Last Jedi. I thought it was ****ing wonderful

I had no particular issue with that. Luke Skywalker's line "And I will not be the Last Jedi", was the best line of the film, and finally brought us back to the Luke we knew from ROTJ "I'm a Jedi, like my Father before me."

Originally posted by Beniboybling
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Finn like Poe wasn't acting rationally, and Rose like Leia brought him back to reality.

Actually Finn's move was a pretty rational sacrifice, and the first time in the whole film where his actions weren't simply motivated by the possibility of him screwing Rey.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Actually Finn's move was a pretty rational sacrifice

The walkers didn't even try to shoot him, probably because they realised he was a total non-threat.

and the first time in the whole film where his actions weren't simply motivated by the possibility of him screwing Rey.