Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Started by Darth Thor210 pages

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Why? Do you have any reason to believe that Finn wouldn't have been incinerated before he reached the cannon, or proof that his the rust bucket he was flying could have done any serious damage?

The walkers didn't even try to shoot him, probably because they realised he was a total non-threat.

And was there any reason to believe the Resistance has any other shot? Nope.

Even if he was wrong, all they would have lost was Finn.

So yeah he made an unselfish and semi rational decision for once.

Originally posted by Beniboybling

Certainly, the lesson learned here being what Poe learned earlier in the movie, not to follow those motivations recklessly.

Except Finn wasn’t putting risking the entire Resistance. Only himself. So you’re comparing Oil to Water here.

Box office it’s passed the Billion mark and us Just a tad under R1’s entire box office run:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars8.htm

It’s also had a very strong hold internationally:

http://deadline.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-billion-dollars-worldwide-coco-greatest-showman-weekend-international-box-office-1202233919/amp/

And was there any reason to believe the Resistance has any other shot? Nope.
Yes, their allies in the Outer Rim whom they believed were coming.

Except Finn wasn't putting risking the entire Resistance. Only himself. So you're comparing Oil to Water here.
He was going to kill himself in a effort that was far from guaranteed success nor their only option. That's reckless.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes, their allies in the Outer Rim whom they believed were coming.

He was going to kill himself in a effort that was far from guaranteed success nor their only option. That's reckless.

Given there was no sign of them, and the Resistance was minutes away from being wiped out... Back to his heroic sacrifice... Unlike Poe who sacrificed others.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Given there was no sign of them
No, they only concluded that nobody was coming afterwards, we are talking about the part where they are in a middle of assault designed to buy time for their allies to arrive.

and the Resistance was minutes away from being wiped out...
Yet still had enough time for Finn to drag Rose all the way back to their base, and Luke to arrive and save their hides... nor had they exhausted all other options.

Back to his heroic sacrifice...
*reckless and unlikely to change anything.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Box office it’s passed the Billion mark and us Just a tad under R1’s entire box office run:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars8.htm

It’s also had a very strong hold internationally:

http://deadline.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-billion-dollars-worldwide-coco-greatest-showman-weekend-international-box-office-1202233919/amp/

It'll do just fine. I'm thinking Avengers 1 type numbers.

It ought to be nestled somewhere around that 4 or 5 box office all-time slot when unadjusted for inflation.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No, they only concluded that nobody was coming afterwards, we are talking about the part where they are in a middle of assault designed to buy time for their allies to arrive.

Yet still had enough time for Finn to drag Rose all the way back to their base, and Luke to arrive and save their hides... nor had they exhausted all other options.

*reckless and unlikely to change anything.

Stop arguing for the sake of it. You’re wrong. Comparing Finn’s end sacrifice to Poe’s massive f*** up is stupid AF.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Stop arguing for the sake of it. You’re wrong. Comparing Finn’s end sacrifice to Poe’s massive f*** up is stupid AF.

Someone Rose cared for and loved was killed as a result of Poe's massive **** up. Once again, someone Rose cared for and loved would've been killed had Finn gone through with his sacrifice.

There's a very clear common thread here. You can disagree with it if you like, but don't act like there's no thread or comparison.

I saw TLJ recently, and was extremely impressed by the film. I'm glad we only had to wait two years to see this, instead of three (like in the OT & the PT days). I liked The Force Awakens, but TLJ really pulled me into the world of the Sequels in a way that TFA did not. TOJ had an excellent story, acting, effects - all with some unexpected "twists". The film was also extremely sad & poignant as well - it was definitely the end of an era. There are SPOILERS below, so please stop reading if you haven't seen the film yet & want to be surprised.

Comments:

-TLJ started off immediately with a lot of action, and rarely let up throghout the movie. Excellent battle scenes, both in space & on land.

-It was interesting that this is the first SW film to take place chronologically immediately after the end of the previous film in the series, i.e. TFA. At the very end of TFA, you saw Ren going to the planet where Luke had secluded himself, and handing him the lightsaber. In TLJ, you saw this same event from a different angle, and the subsequent outcome. In all of the other SW films there were gaps between films; typically the movies chronoloically took place 1-more years apart. However, in the case of TFA & TLJ - you could almost say that both films - when combined - were one long movie.

-Nice to see Bille Lourd (Carrie Fisher's daugther) in the film, and I liked the small "Princess Leia" hair buns - nice homage

-I think the film did a good job of making it clear that Luke wasn't really at fault re: Kylo Ren's complete submission to the dark side, though it was interesting to see the flashback event (when Luke was standing over Kylo with the lit lightsaber) from two different perspectives - Kylo's & Luke's. Luke stated that he felt Kylo was already well on his way to the dark side & that he needed to be destroyed. However, Kylo felt Luke was attacking him unjustly. That being said, I think it's clear that Kylo would have turned to the dark side irregardless of what Luke did/didn't do.

-Interesting that Supreme Leader Snoke didn't appear to be that much of a threat in either TFA or TLJ. He didn't do much, and, seemed to be killed fairly easily by Kylo Ren in TLJ - though, in all fairness, he didn't see the betrayal by Ren coming, until it was too late.

-Cool to see the Red Elite Praetorian Guards in action - great outfit/concept/design, and they're very formidable opponents with unusual weapons. They're obviously based on the Emperor's Royal Guards from ROTJ (1983) - even though you never saw the Emperor's Royal Guards in action (in the films), based on the EU (if it's considered "canon"😉 they were deadly assassins.

-Even though Kylo Ren betrayed Snoke, I was glad to see Disney/Lflm. didn't do something unrealistic/stupid like make him turn to the good side. That would have been a cop-out, especially given that he killed his father in TFA - which to me makes the character beyond redemption. It made perfect sense to have him kill Snoke & help Rey (temporarily) kill the EPG's so he could - in turn - become the Supreme Leader. It also fit in with the character re: being a back-stabbing P.O.S. (as was seen when he betrayed the Jedi, joined the dark side, killed his father, etc.)

-Very nice to see all of the new tech. - especially those vehicles/ships that were based on OT tech., but somewhat modified. The Advanced AT-ST & the newer, bulkier AT-AT's looked great. And, the new AT-ST especially looked more sinister than the original version from ESB/ROTJ.

-Nice to see the ghost of Yoda again - not seen (in the films) since the end of ROTJ.

The junky-looking Resistance Ski Speeders (seen in the end battle) were great ships, and fit right into the "used" SW universe - as established in the OT. They looked like intentional rough "prototypes" for the B-wings in ROTJ.

I also noticed the Rebel Blockade Runner-like ships - the RBR's were one of my favorite ships from the OT.

-I was slightly surprised to see "mainstream" Hollywood actors/actresses like Laura Dern, Benicio Del Toro, and Justin Theroux in a new SW film.

-The casino setting & aliens was interesting, and was an obvious homage to the cantina in ANH. Very nice.

-I was somewhat surprised & sad to see Luke die, but ultimately this made sense in the context of the story. After all, these films are about the "passing of the torch" of the older generation of heroes to the newer generation, i.e. Rey, Finn, Poe. That being said, his death hit much harder than Han's in TFA. Obviously, we may see his "Force ghost" in a future film.

-I was also slightly surprised that Rey was not the long-lost daughter of Han & Leia - or the daughter of Luke and an unknown woman. Nice that Disney/Lflm. didn't go the "obvious" route & make her the child of known Jedi. However, this fits in with her humble background/beginnings - so it is in character.

-I did find it interesting that as of the end of TLJ, Han Solo & Luke Skywalker have both passed - while Princess Leia is still alive. This is despite the fact that Carrie Fisher passed away in actuality last year. I guess they can also CGI her into the next ST film - if they decide to go that route.

This SJW complaining is ridiculous imo, including different kinds of people in film should be standard practice. As great as white dudes are, nobody wants a movie with only white dudes in it right?

Lando is black, so the OT is totally SJW!!!!

... Yeah, if Rose was white or thinner even, I wouldn't of really felt anything different about her character. She was just kinda there either way.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/31/can-we-now-stop-pretending-star-wars-the-last-jedi-is-a-disaster/amp/

^ Only a 26% drop from last weekend domestically and a 12% drop overseas.

So the “fake news” that this has bad legs can just stop now.

Oh and it’s not even opened in China yet Lol. So it’s likely gonna surpass Avengers and Jurassic World.

But hey, Juggernaut has decided for everyone that it’s “shit”. So there’s that to consider.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/31/can-we-now-stop-pretending-star-wars-the-last-jedi-is-a-disaster/amp/

^ Only a 26% drop from last weekend domestically and a 12% drop overseas.

So the “fake news” that this has bad legs can just stop now.

Oh and it’s not even opened in China yet Lol. So it’s likely gonna surpass Avengers and Jurassic World.

But hey, Juggernaut has decided for everyone that it’s “shit”. So there’s that to consider.

That's a horrible drop for the weekend. Most of he movies in the top 20 all experienced 20% increases over last weekend. Shit even Justice League posted a 13% bump from last weekend.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

And China isn't big on Star Wars.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
That's a horrible drop for the weekend. Most of he movies in the top 20 all experienced 20% increases over last weekend. Shit even Justice League posted a 13% bump from last weekend.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

And China isn't big on Star Wars.

Eh, Force Awakens dropped 39%, 39%, and 53% in its second, third, and fourth weekends, respectively. The 67% drop was part Christmas Eve, part bad word-of-mouth. I'm curious to see weekends 4-6 for Last Jedi.

The Last Jedi will still get in that 4th to 5th place all-time spot. Just depends on if it can beat Jurassic World and by how much.

And as I said wait until after the holidays to judge the results. Holding just fine. This film is fantastic and those crybabies who hated it don't have to see any more Star Wars. To act like this wasn't making tons of money was always ridiculous. It's going to smash over Rogue One as I predicted. Told you, psychotron.

Love the film. As a true fan of Disney's Star Wars I can happily say I told you so. Very excited to see what they come up with next in the final film of the trilogy. You probably won't find a bigger fan of the new trilogy out there.

Originally posted by quanchi112
And as I said wait until after the holidays to judge the results. Holding just fine. This film is fantastic and those crybabies who hated it don't have to see any more Star Wars. To act like this wasn't making tons of money was always ridiculous. It's going to smash over Rogue One as I predicted. Told you, psychotron.

Love the film. As a true fan of Disney's Star Wars I can happily say I told you so. Very excited to see what they come up with next in the final film of the trilogy. You probably won't find a bigger fan of the new trilogy out there.

For a Star Wars film it was mediocre.

I'm not saying it's not making bank, just not as much as it could have.

Just beacaue I didn't like the movie don't mean I hate Star Wars, in fact I love Star Wars.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
For a Star Wars film it was mediocre.
No, it isn't. It's going to smash Rogue One. I bet it'll also smash Han Solo. As usual I'm the voice of reason.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Why? Do you have any reason to believe that Finn wouldn't have been incinerated before he reached the cannon, or proof that his the rust bucket he was flying could have done any serious damage?

The walkers didn't even try to shoot him, probably because they realised he was a total non-threat.

Certainly, the lesson learned here being what Poe learned earlier in the movie, not to follow those motivations recklessly.

No, the onus is on you to prove that it wouldn't have worked. We have no reason to assume that Finn would've sacrificed himself for nothing. I don't believe when you were watching the scene for the first time - before you saw the aftermath - even thought for a second that Finn was about to lose his life for nothing.

Even Rose, with her bad logic says protecting is better than *destroying*.

She didn't say, "I stopped you because your plan was futile".

The whole theme here has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the plan.

The original poster I was quoting was trying to read some sort of "moral" into her statement. It is about the principle itself - if it was only about stopping a futile plan, then there is no moral here. And to your point - so if the plan would've worked - then you agree Rose is a stupid ***** right?

In fact, what if we take it further? What if Finn's ship would've not only blown up the weapon, but due to the vast amounts of energy, caused a large explosion that destroyed everything nearby - that is, Kylo Ren, and Hux, basically the remaining leadership of the First Order was wiped out? Not an unreasonable outcome. Would it have been correct then?

One other side point - if Finn's plan surely would have failed, this raises another interesting theme. That is, the men can't make sound judgements at all in this film. Always clouded by aggression, hate, plans of destruction, always trying to *play* the hero. Heck, even the plot makes this happen by having purple haired clown pretend that she had no final plan causing Poe to take action only to humiliate him after. I'm sure there are no feminist narratives here.

Again, I digress from the *real* point here, which is about the "love/hate" principle. It is a complete pretentious play on words with a very SJW feel to it. Giving one's life to save friends is perhaps the height of heroism. Trying to twist it into some sort of "hateful" motivation reeks of postmodern rhetoric.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I'm not saying it's not making bank, just not as much as it could have.

Just beacaue I didn't like the movie don't mean I hate Star Wars, in fact I love Star Wars.

People in here are crying and seeking for others to not watch any future films. You don't like the new characters. I'm the only poster on here who loves Snoke and also backs up Kylo Ren as a superior villain than Vader. Just go rewatch the originals if that's your thing.