Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Well I enjoyed this. I must be one of the few that thinks it was neither a steaming pile of shit that does a shit from its shitness onto the original movies or the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Each of the three stories has great moments and not so great moments. There's no real sense of danger in the chase between the fleets. Compare it to the first season of Battlestar Galactica when the cylons keep tracking the BSG fleet. Now THAT was excellent. That being said, it was beautifully shot and the crash sequence was fantastic. Just a shame about the ridiculous plot convenience right after.

The Finn/Rose bit was fun but the casino seemed totally out of place. Benicio Del Toro was great though.

The Luke/Rey/Snoke/Kylo thread was excellent. Really well done climax with Luke's sequence. The standoff reminded visually of Supes/Zod in the ruins of Metropolis just before they fight and the Ironman/Cap fight. Visually very striking. The red salt plain was a touch of genius.

I don't know why everyone genuinely thinks Luke is dead. They didn't mention about him cutting himself off from the force for nothing.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Sure, overall they may have decent scores and reviews and made good money at the box office, but they are easily considered to be of lower quality when compared to the rest of the Star Wars series. That's not subjective. Your own personal opinion may be different, but the general consensus is that the PT>OT. Just one of MANY examples:
http://collider.com/star-wars-movies-ranked-from-worst-to-best/#the-force-awakens

Well the 6 George Lucas films are all 1 Epic saga for me. And I think many people see it that way.

Edit- So while Many believe the OT is the Greatest trilogy of all time, and not many think of the PT as no.1. But I also think the Prequels didn’t really dent the brand and many just saw all 6 films as the Greatest movie series of all time.

Originally posted by jaden101
Well I enjoyed this. I must be one of the few that thinks it was neither a steaming pile of shit that does a shit from its shitness onto the original movies or the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Each of the three stories has great moments and not so great moments. There's no real sense of danger in the chase between the fleets. Compare it to the first season of Battlestar Galactica when the cylons keep tracking the BSG fleet. Now THAT was excellent. That being said, it was beautifully shot and the crash sequence was fantastic. Just a shame about the ridiculous plot convenience right after.

The Finn/Rose bit was fun but the casino seemed totally out of place. Benicio Del Toro was great though.

The Luke/Rey/Snoke/Kylo thread was excellent. Really well done climax with Luke's sequence. The standoff reminded visually of Supes/Zod in the ruins of Metropolis just before they fight and the Ironman/Cap fight. Visually very striking. The red salt plain was a touch of genius.

I don't know why everyone genuinely thinks Luke is dead. They didn't mention about him cutting himself off from the force for nothing.

Yeah the more I think about it the more I think Luke may be alive.

For all we know he just teleported somewhere across the galaxy to lay low and recuperate for a while.

This movie does establish that matter can be teleported using the force (the rain water that gets on Kylo Ren's face when he's Jedi-Facetiming with Rey is proof of this), so it stands to reason that someone as powerful with the force as Luke could teleport himself somewhere and then block other force users from being able to sense him.

And with Carrie Fisher dead, Luke is really the only main OT character left that could be in EP-9. There's enough ambiguity in his last scene in TLJ to where they could find some way to spin it for him to be alive in the next one. For sure.

Originally posted by BackFire
Yeah the more I think about it the more I think Luke may be alive.

For all we know he just teleported somewhere across the galaxy to lay low and recuperate for a while.

This movie does establish that matter can be teleported using the force (the rain water that gets on Kylo Ren's face when he's Jedi-Facetiming with Rey is proof of this), so it stands to reason that someone as powerful with the force as Luke could teleport himself somewhere and then block other force users from being able to sense him.

And with Carrie Fisher dead, Luke is really the only main OT character left that could be in EP-9. There's enough ambiguity in his last scene in TLJ to where they could find some way to spin it for him to be alive in the next one. For sure.

The other way to look at it is that he was never on the island in the first place.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
The OT was a Pioneer of storytelling. There really were no "Trilogies" before it. Certainly not on it's level. That article was obviously a jab at a lot of the fans bashing the film for plot-holes mainly. My review didn't really go into plot holes that much. There are many more issues I take with it than that.

I think you missed the point of the article.

It's satire of the PT hate. It satirizes people like you and Lucien who hate on the PT for the same reasons you should be hating on the OT.

Originally posted by jaden101
The other way to look at it is that he was never on the island in the first place.

Force projecting from a force projection?

Sure, why not.

Originally posted by jaden101
The other way to look at it is that he was never on the island in the first place.

That doesn't fit with the onscreen evidence though that is a wonderful idea/thought that I wish was true.

Spoiler:
Notice that Luke never crossed sabers with Kylo but he tangibly interacted with Rey including their duel on the island. Also, notice that his robes did the same thing Yoda's and Obi Wan's did when he 'passed away'?

Edit - I think them killing off all the "older timers" is a way for them to unmarry the fans from the old characters and force them into the new characters as part of the strategy to make a shit ton of films. This is Disney's way of transitioning fans like frogs in a pot of water slowly brought to a boil. Brace yourselves for the articles titled "What happened to Star Wars: It's nothing like it used to be".

Originally posted by dadudemon
That doesn't fit with the onscreen evidence though that is a wonderful idea/thought that I wish was true.

Spoiler:
Notice that Luke never crossed sabers with Kylo but he tangibly interacted with Rey including their duel on the island. Also, notice that his robes did the same thing Yoda's and Obi Wan's did when he 'passed away'?

He also kissed Leia on the head and left Han's gold plated millennium falcon airfreshener in Kylo's hand which subsequently vanished because they were never really there.

Originally posted by jaden101
He also kissed Leia on the head and left Han's gold plated millennium falcon airfreshener in Kylo's hand which subsequently vanished because they were never really there.

check my edit

Then there's that retarded scene where

Spoiler:
Rey physically attacks Luke for not agreeing to train her ass.

Damn this film was awful. Who does that?

That's like Anakin attacking Yoda when he didnt want to train him. ....just Stupid. Luke should have knocked her on her ass.

Aye. Risky strategy when most of the new characters aren't great. Po has become annoying. Kylo wasn't well received in the first movie but I found his force talks with Rey very much improved his character. Finn seemed much less likeable and much more sidelined in this. Snoke was just uninteresting and superfluous garbage (great decision to kill him off). All the others are utterly forgettable.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I think you missed the point of the article.

It's satire of the PT hate. It satirizes people like you and Lucien who hate on the PT for the same reasons you should be hating on the OT.

Originally posted by jaden101
Aye. Risky strategy when most of the new characters aren't great. Po has become annoying. Kylo wasn't well received in the first movie but I found his force talks with Rey very much improved his character. Finn seemed much less likeable and much more sidelined in this. Snoke was just uninteresting and superfluous garbage (great decision to kill him off). All the others are utterly forgettable.

I think Kyle Ren is the greatest success of this new trilogy. I think he's the most compelling villain the series has ever had.

I also am happy with their decision about Snoke. He was never a very interesting character at face value, think most people were just hoping that he'd become more interesting once they explained his backstory. Glad we don't have to waste time with him anymore.

That reminds me, since when did Star Wars force sensitive people have the ability to create Star Trek's Holodeck levels of physical projections?

Since this movie.

Seems the RT audience score is legit, not surprising since this movie is shit.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/20/rotten-tomatoes-confirms-its-55-last-jedi-audience-score-is-100-authentic/amp/

It's actually at 54% now.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Seems the RT audience score is legit, not surprising since this movie is shit.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/20/rotten-tomatoes-confirms-its-55-last-jedi-audience-score-is-100-authentic/amp/

It's actually at 54% now.

They’re not reliable in general because we have no idea if those people have even seen the movie or not.

Cinemascore is the most reliable audience score. But where audiences really speak is with their $$$

OW is hype but- box office multipliers, merchandise sales, home entertainment sales, and OW for the sequel- those are the audience scores Disney will listen to.

IMDB has more votes and has a more favorable rating than RT.

IMDb can be full of sick accounts though. And also has no way of verifying if the voters have even seen the film. So not reliable when there’s a minority who hate this film with a passion.

Any less reliable than RT, though?

My point is that if you're going to cite RT as some meaningful evidence of something, then IMDB must also count because they're both the same thing, yet they both have different outcomes for this movie.

Personally I don't give a shit about any of the audience scores on any of these sites, doesn't mean anything other than showing that some people didn't like the movie. Big whoop.