Originally posted by quanchi112
He also mused overthrowing him in rots. He needed to strike at the right time. Hilarious thing is he was able to achieve killing him without the force or a weapon.
What makes you think he wasn't augmenting himself with the Force?
Snoke getting stabbed by Kylo while he was focusing on him and reading his mind is much worse than Palpatine getting blindsided by Vader while focused on killing Luke.
Originally posted by steverules_2
Pretty sure Vader said on more than one occasion that Luke should join the dark side and help him over throw the emperor so they could rule the galaxy as father and son. I wouldn't say Vader was that loyal to Palps.
In RotJ:
Vader: "You don't know the power of the darkside. I must obey my master."
And the part where he saves Palps from a saber slash to the face...
My opinion of Vader is that he was insecure and conflicted. He felt loyalty to Palpatine, but especially in the context of the prequels, this is a man that's unsure of himself. It's why he lashes out so often and is so ruthless; like he has something to prove.
One thing I am sure of is that he didn't think he could take Palpatine alone, so for that by itself, he wanted Luke's help. It's only really in ROTJ when Luke makes his grand gesture that Vader realises, for the first time in years, what the right thing to do is. And he does it.
Originally posted by The EllimistNo evidence he was. Absence of proof isn't proof. Occam's razor.
What makes you think he wasn't augmenting himself with the Force?Snoke getting stabbed by Kylo while he was focusing on him and reading his mind is much worse than Palpatine getting blindsided by Vader while focused on killing Luke.
No, since his true enemy wasn't Rey it was Snoke and the placement of the lightsabers made the ruse even possible. The situation was ideal for Kylo to strike quickly with his guard down. Vader just thought **** this he's my son and hoisted up Palpatine and walked him over to his death. You're too biased to be objective about this.
Originally posted by The EllimistShe was resisting him extracting the information form her mind. Wtf. The same manner in which she successfully resisted Kylo. We see her use the force against Kylo and stalemate him in a battle for the lightsaber. So you believe she just refused to use her force powers to defend herself against Snoke but just decided to do so against Kylo. Oh for ****s sake.
Way to totally mishandle occam's razor. Let me employ quanchi's razor then: Snoke TK'ing Rey doesn't matter because it isn't stated that Rey was defending herself in the Force. Dat razer amirite?
Originally posted by quanchi112
She was resisting him extracting the information form her mind. Wtf. The same manner in which she successfully resisted Kylo. We see her use the force against Kylo and stalemate him in a battle for the lightsaber. So you believe she just refused to use her force powers to defend herself against Snoke but just decided to do so against Kylo. Oh for ****s sake.
Dude, you still haven't figured out how to not be a hypocrite every time you open your browser. That exact same logic could also be applied to Vader, given that Vader had just been using the Force to fight and why would he not use the Force if he knows he's taking on the f*cking Emperor?
I know it's tough for you to figure out but I was mocking your own logic and trying to get you to realize how horrible it was, but you just won't learn lmao.
Originally posted by steverules_2
Yeah but there was no loyalty there, it's well known he just wanted to over throw the emperor. I did question why he stopped Luke, I mean wasn't his idea to kill the emperor so they could rule the galaxy?? I dunno but I never saw Vader as being loyal to Palps at all.
No, nobody knew that except Luke and Vader. Vader said that line to Luke in secret. Outside of Star Wars, in the real world, yes, we knew Vader suggested that to Luke but it is the only time it is brought up.
Vader's obedience in RotJ cement the notion that Vader is back to his loyal dog self.
Only when Luke is begging, while dying, did Vader change again.
Originally posted by The EllimistBecause he doesn't show he used the force. It's the same horrific logic to assume everything Superman does ugh superspeed if the movie doesn't imply it. Why wouldn't he wait until he had his lightsaber ? Why didn't he let Luke strike him down ? We can tell in that moment he succumbed to the light and sacrificed himself to dispose of the emperor out of love for his son. If you can't prove something then it's a baseless claim.
Dude, you still haven't figured out how to not be a hypocrite every time you open your browser. That exact same logic could also be applied to Vader, given that Vader had just been using the Force to fight and why would he not use the Force if he knows he's taking on the f*cking Emperor?
Entirely different situations. In one instance we see a gut check reaction in which he overpowers an old man howling firing his fl in protest.
I know it's tough for you to figure out but I was mocking your own logic and trying to get you to realize how horrible it was, but you just won't learn lmao. [/B]
In the other instance we see Snoke not even try to kill her but keep her in check with the force both to extract information and to manipulate her body at will. Vader at no point uses the force to attack Palpatine. We see Palpatine use the force by hurling fl in a panic to defend himself in his current predicament. If you still want to object to her using the force she will defend herself when someone is trying to purge intel from her mind.
We've also seen most force users decide the superior combatant without force power and having to rely on the saber anyways.
Last Jedi controversy is perhaps costing it big....
They're saying it might not make much more than Rogue One when it's all said and done....OUCH.
Originally posted by ares834We'll see. If it doesn't make at least 1.5 Billion that's a massive letdown.
His comparisons are faulty and intentionally manipulative. While it may not have good as a multiplier as R1 (though at this point it's nearly impossible to tell), it's still on it's way to make significantly more both domestically and internationally.
Originally posted by ares834I agree that not many thought it would make 2 billion again, but not a 500 million dollar drop. Maybe a 1-300. Hell, Age of Ultron barely made less than Avengers 1 and Disney wasn't happy. Also, who's to say it's going to make 1.5 billion. It's got a long way to go to even get there. We'll have to wait and see...
TFA was the first SW film in over 10 years and the first sequel to RotJ. TLJ was never going to make nearly as much. A 500 million+ drop was expected.