Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
I agree that not many thought it would make 2 billion again, but not a 500 million dollar drop. Maybe a 1-300. Hell, Age of Ultron barely made less than Avengers 1 and Disney wasn't happy. Also, who's to say it's going to make 1.5 billion. It's got a long way to go to even get there. We'll have to wait and see...

ding ding, you're hitting, now.

A few hundreds of millions drop is going to be a big deal. Heads will roll.

If you look at the Prequel Trilogy:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?id=starwarsprequel.htm

Domestic gross dropped by $129 million for AotC but jumped back up to within $52 million of TPM.

Worldwide, AotC gets much worse in the disparity.

But these are the kinds of numbers you're looking to replicate or best.

Ratios, too.

They have schmucks at Disney trying to hit or exceed specific profitability indices. TLJ probably won't hit as well as they hoped.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because he doesn't show he used the force.

He used the Force earlier. If that isn't enough for you, then it shouldn't be enough that Rey used the Force earlier either.

Do you seriously not grasp the double standard yet? Like you're literally walking right into a trap I hadn't even set.

Entirely different situations. In one instance we see a gut check reaction in which he overpowers an old man howling firing his fl in protest.

In the other instance we see Snoke not even try to kill her but keep her in check with the force both to extract information and to manipulate her body at will. Vader at no point uses the force to attack Palpatine. We see Palpatine use the force by hurling fl in a panic to defend himself in his current predicament. If you still want to object to her using the force she will defend herself when someone is trying to purge intel from her mind.

We've also seen most force users decide the superior combatant without force power and having to rely on the saber anyways.

Totally irrelevant to the question of why you think it's OK to infer that Rey was using the Force to defend herself but not that Vader was using the Force to attack Palpatine via augmentation (when Jedi/Sith always do).

Something to keep in mind when talking about Star Wars movies and their earnings that sets them apart from other very high grossing franchises/movies is that they generate a larger portion of their revenue via domestic gross rather than global. A lot of the highest grossing movies of all time have a pretty low domestic gross, where as TFA is almost 50% domestic. Avatar is 27% and Titanic is 30%. Why I bring this up is that this does sort of set up the star wars movies to be at the whim of various knee jerk reactions that are going on in America/Europe that might not really be mirrored in places like China, which doesn't go see Star Wars as much as we do. So TLJ could very well make less money because of the backlash than it otherwise would if it was more popular in places like China and what not.

Still I think it will probably make over 1.5 billion, which will make it the number one movie of the year globally. Even if there was no backlash it probably wouldn't have been able to match TFA, that movie's pre-release hype level was pretty unprecedented, besides for maybe Phantom Menace. I think Disney will probably be just fine with the movie making them $1.5 billion or up.

Yeah, episode 9 will probably make more than TLJ just by virtue of being the finale.

Is it me guys, or the Dreadnought scene was shitty?

I mean, A Dreadnought being disabled by a single rebel ship and later destroyed by one bomber....Atleast Snoke's premature death isnt the only disappointment in the film....

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Is it me guys, or the Dreadnought scene was shitty?

I mean, A Dreadnought being disabled by a single rebel ship and later destroyed by one bomber....Atleast Snoke's premature death isnt the only disappointment in the film....

The space battles didn't make any sense IMO.

Originally posted by BackFire
Something to keep in mind when talking about Star Wars movies and their earnings that sets them apart from other very high grossing franchises/movies is that they generate a larger portion of their revenue via domestic gross rather than global. A lot of the highest grossing movies of all time have a pretty low domestic gross, where as TFA is almost 50% domestic. Avatar is 27% and Titanic is 30%. Why I bring this up is that this does sort of set up the star wars movies to be at the whim of various knee jerk reactions that are going on in America/Europe that might not really be mirrored in places like China, which doesn't go see Star Wars as much as we do. So TLJ could very well make less money because of the backlash than it otherwise would if it was more popular in places like China and what not.

Still I think it will probably make over 1.5 billion, which will make it the number one movie of the year globally. Even if there was no backlash it probably wouldn't have been able to match TFA, that movie's pre-release hype level was pretty unprecedented, besides for maybe Phantom Menace. I think Disney will probably be just fine with the movie making them $1.5 billion or up.

i agree..

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Is it me guys, or the Dreadnought scene was shitty?

I mean, A Dreadnought being disabled by a single rebel ship and later destroyed by one bomber....Atleast Snoke's premature death isnt the only disappointment in the film....

the space battles were awesome

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The space battles didn't make any sense IMO.

I mean...werent the new Dreadnoughts supposed to be superior than an Executor class!?

WHATS EVEN WORSE!!! The Dreadnought had a supporting fleet!! Yet they stood there as the Dreadnought got obliterated!!

I guess we can all blame the new director....He did a shitty work.

53% audience score now.

Anyone think it will sink to the 40's?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
53% audience score now.

Anyone think it will sink to the 40's?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
He used the Force earlier. If that isn't enough for you, then [b]it shouldn't be enough that Rey used the Force earlier either.

Do you seriously not grasp the double standard yet? Like you're literally walking right into a trap I hadn't even set.

[/B]

Totally irrelevant to the question of why you think it's OK to infer that Rey was using the Force to defend herself but not that Vader was using the Force to attack Palpatine via augmentation (when Jedi/Sith always do). [/B]

🙂

The OT wasn't full of saber dancing and Force abuse, so it's entirely possible that Vader simply grabbed Palpatine and threw him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, fine have it your way. Vader used the force and overpowered Sidious in the force. What a trap indeed. It's even more embarrassing for Sidious.

Lol, he grabbed Sidious from behind and you think it was a fair fight?

I love how you're so eager to come up with every excuse in the book when your favorite characters lose, but then pretend context doesn't exist at all for everyone else.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The OT wasn't full of saber dancing and Force abuse, so it's entirely possible that Vader simply grabbed Palpatine and threw him.

That and, I'd be willing to bet that in his arrogance, he never believed Vader would betray him.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
53% audience score now.

Anyone think it will sink to the 40's?

The score from that site, is from people who actually haven't seen the film yet. Unlike Cinemascore, who gets fresh reactions from people who've just seen it, and it gets an A score on average.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2017/12/21/how-to-help-fix-our-terrible-discussions-of-star-wars-the-last-jedi/?utm_term=.9a394d128a00

This is no different from those IMDB trolls giving perfect 10 scores to Suicide Squad - before the movie even came out.

Originally posted by roughrider
The score from that site, is from people who actually haven't seen the film yet. Unlike Cinemascore, who gets fresh reactions from people who've just seen it, and it gets an A score on average.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2017/12/21/how-to-help-fix-our-terrible-discussions-of-star-wars-the-last-jedi/?utm_term=.9a394d128a00

This is no different from those IMDB trolls giving perfect 10 scores to Suicide Squad - before the movie even came out.

It's suppose to drop almost 70% this weekend.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That and, I'd be willing to bet that in his arrogance, he never believed Vader would betray him.

And it's not like Vader hasn't paid the ultimate price - his life - for that betrayal.

Originally posted by roughrider
The score from that site, is from people who actually haven't seen the film yet. Unlike Cinemascore, who gets fresh reactions from people who've just seen it, and it gets an A score on average.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2017/12/21/how-to-help-fix-our-terrible-discussions-of-star-wars-the-last-jedi/?utm_term=.9a394d128a00

This is no different from those IMDB trolls giving perfect 10 scores to Suicide Squad - before the movie even came out.

Audience score is low on metacritic, too... c'mon.

It was 5.0/10, it's getting worse - now it's 4.7/10...

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-wars-episode-viii---the-last-jedi

folks stil massively butthurt i see

Why shouldn't we be?

Luke got disrespected, Finn & Rose should appear in a FREE youtube webisode at best, dialogues were bad, we still know nothing about Snoke despite Disney promising us to reveal his story, lightspeed charge hax was retarded, etc.