Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Keep in mind in comics characters who can survive city destroying blast get hurt when a car is thrown at them at times.Striking: Sends Ultraman flying
By throwing a CAR at him. Again, how does that elevate AM? Spiderman or Luke Cage's could have done the same thing.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman vs Wonder WomanAquaman vs Olympian
Aquaman vs Triton
facepalm
These showings are horrible. Not even close to supporting your point. You just posted a pic of him ESCAPING the grip of Triton in which Triton called him an eel, and that's supposed to be Aquaman going to to toe with him? 😆 And again with the magical Trident attack, not to mention the water hand? My dude, if this was a chess match, you should be asking for a draw.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
By throwing a CAR at him. Again, how does that elevate AM? Spiderman or Luke Cage's could have done the same thing.
With enough force to push Ultraman back?
It's funny cause you've yet to post feats of strength for Black Bolt and have stuck with who he's hit and taken hits from. According to your logic those are unimpressive cause Captain America has taken hits from Heralds.. Yet Cap doesn't have feats like you know lifting stuff that weighs several thousand Tons or exceeds it and Aquaman does. Still waiting to see those for BB
Sigh.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
facepalmThese showings are horrible. Not even close to supporting your point. You just posted a pic of him ESCAPING the grip of Triton in which Triton called him an eel, and that's supposed to be Aquaman going to to toe with him? 😆 And again with the magical Trident attack, not to mention the water hand? My dude, if this was a chess match, you should be asking for a draw.
Beating up a God who beat Arthur and Diana as a child is a bad showing?
Staying on even footing with Wonder Woman (GOW) is a bad showing?
The Water Hand doesn't amp his physicals he can change its density but he wasn't shown to do that and he'd still require the force behind the punch.
The trident didn't do anything to Olympian. He knocked the guy out with his actual fist a guy who tooK MM down
If your going to discredit do it atleast with some logic
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I wanted to make an ending statement, that though I think BB can fight characters like Thor and Hulk hand to hand I don't think he'd win a match if he stuck to pure physicals and they did as well. I generally don't agree with the Marvel Handbook but I do think BB is in the same weight class as characters like Namor and The Thing.I think Aquaman just for some reason is being disregarded, even Pre-Flashpoint he's been stated a couple times and shown to have duked it out with characters who are apparently in the same class as Superman and Aquaman has done pretty well.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/5043945-3995081-4164908542-pqaaa.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/139093/2998106-aquamanvsslig3.jpgPanic in the Sky
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/5043949-4693674-screenshot_2015-07-13-16-34-31-1.jpgHe's done pretty well against characters who have had Superman's power, whether it be Amazo or others.
http://imgur.com/a/Fz5SZhttp://imgur.com/EGC65Pz?r
Until he gets his powers absorbed
http://i.imgur.com/Q4qKF8K.jpgHell one of his main rogues Ocean Master has taken a punch from Superman remained conscious, Strong enough to strain Superman in a choke hold, as well as took a punch from Wonder Woman and remained conscious. Prelude to Obsidian Age. Ocean Master was holding back both Superman and Wonder Woman with Water and Aquaman fights this guy consistently.
Another rogue Slig is stated by the writer to be in the same weight class as Superman and Aquaman has beaten Slig up physically in his own title.
He's shortly traded blows with Superboy and Lobo in his own title, has overpowered an All-Knowing which one of these things beat up Powergirl, as well as the fact King Shark another Aquaman villain consistently gives Superboy trouble in regards to physicals. I don't get comparisons of Batman hurting a herald compared to when Aquaman does it... given that I see Aquaman in the Herald class based on several showings in his own book and outside it.
Aquaman took hits from Titus who was a legit Herald buster none of the League could really fight him one on one and last to long.
He's generally traded blows with Martian Manhunter who Pre-Flashpoint didn't have to amp himself to fight other heralds.I honestly don't get the low regard to Aquaman though.
not to be a d!ck but once again you're doing your boy more harm than good. why would you show that amazo scan again?? it LITERALLY says AMAZO CAN BE TOPPLED BY THE SLIGHTEST OF BLOWS. the feat is utterly meaningless. AM hit him once and then was trussled up over his shoulder like a net of fish! that....is in no way a good showing. seriously. 😑
you show him hitting some random z-lister, again, NOT a feat in anyway.
painic in the sky?? he gets why he's left behind? and he's telling that to NIGHTWING?? he was left with nightwing and that's some feat? random narraction saying some guys could fight superman is considered a feat for AM? that's not saying much. 😬
he punched some guy that superman was fighting as his...powers were konking out??
as an AM fan, i'd really love it if you stopped trying to showcase him....you are DESPERATELY reaching with the majority of the scans you've posted. it's not doing AM any credit.
the ultraman scan--AM threw a car at him. you cannot seriously think that's a feat at all. spiderman could do that. i'm just utterly baffled here by the things you are deeming 'feats'. his scrum with ww was fine i guess but it was very brief and all he really did was toss her....and so he punched olympian. 😐 when did landing a punch on somebody become a feat exactly???
and after all that, you say exactly what i've said all along--bolt is around namor level in strength. namor, who has battled every strongman in marvel, h2h, and done very well throughout his career.
baffled doesn't begin to describe how i feel....
anyway, some bolt stuff. of course it's in his nature to use his other powers in fights so that's not something i can eliminate, but clearly we see that he can and has fared very well against many of marvels strongmen when fights have gone h2h:
here he easily handles namor:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/20066/1196995-1196979_blackbolt_vs_namor_super.jpg
namor is not seen again until much later btw, as reed pointed out, long enough for that to count as a forum win...
here bolt returns a blow to ben after he'd already been hit:
http://i.imgur.com/7HLgnt6.jpg
oddly, thing has done pretty well with bolt, but again, thing has fought pretty well every strongman in marvel and done well himself.
here is another fight with namor--bb fights this battle while weakening. it's a draw but clearly illustrates what i've said all along about the relative strength of bb:
you also dismissed the scan i showed of bolt hitting hulk because he was armed with karnak's knowledge. but you completely failed to mention how it says he was a close second to hulk in strength.... now, i know enough about both and other characters to know that isn't true, but if this were shown with AM, and that narration accompanied something HE'd done, you would have been all over it.....just sayin'.
here again is some silly narration to go with some of what you posted:
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3465977
spidey knows pretty well everyone so that's pretty damn high praise.
here he matches up with galdiator:
https://new.vk.com/topic-94595957_33642532?z=photo-94595957_383564750%2Fpost-94595957_2850
https://new.vk.com/topic-94595957_33642532?z=photo-94595957_383564749%2Fpost-94595957_2850
http://i.imgur.com/d9pueS4.jpg
he had the advantage staying just h2h until glads asked for help. he's taken glads out before, easily, with his voice....
here he beats ronan in a duel--not really h2h but cool and shows skill:
https://new.vk.com/topic-94595957_33642532?z=photo-94595957_383564948%2Fpost-94595957_2854
an early bout against ben. he's fought evenly with ben a few times:
https://new.vk.com/topic-94595957_33642532?z=photo-94595957_383565094%2Fpost-94595957_2856
and his skirmish with thor:
http://s38.photobucket.com/user/RageOfTheGod/media/Thor/ThorvsBlackBolt4.jpg.html
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsBlackBolt3.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132322/2547506-thorvsblackbolt03.jpg
who knows how the fight would have ended had thor not spotted a weakness.
and here he skirmishes with sphinx, generally considered a trans tier guy:
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2830212
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2830211
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-2830210
never did i feel such power... impressive from someone as powerful as sphinx. lots of energy in there, but his punch was....at least equal to the punches you showed. and no, i'm not claiming "PUNCHING" someone is a feat, just kinda doing what the romans do and following up your 'feats' with similar ones.
after examining all the evidence i'm not sure how anyone can say this would be anything but a very close fight. i'd also give the durability edge to bolt overall--his fight with thanos, vulcan, surviving the t-bomb explosion.... it's extremely rare when bolt is ko'd or even defeated in comics. it's not disrespectful to AM to say this is close. bolt has hung with...pretty well everyone. based on feats and history i take bolt here. but it would be an extremely close fight. that's pretty much it for me and this thread. been interesting. 👆
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
With enough force to push Ultraman back?It's funny cause you've yet to post feats of strength for Black Bolt and have stuck with who he's hit and taken hits from. According to your logic those are unimpressive cause Captain America has taken hits from Heralds.. Yet Cap doesn't have feats like you know lifting stuff that weighs several thousand Tons or exceeds it and Aquaman does. Still waiting to see those for BB
Sigh.
Dude, what are you not getting? Battling evenly means two combatants TAKING BLOWS AND GIVING THEM for at least a few panels. I'm pretty close to giving up on you getting it. All I can say is look at the fights with Bolt and Kallark again, also with Bolt and Thor which I didn't post. The fights went BACK AND FORTH. You've posted scattered list of one takes, flukes, fights with very specific context, the use of enchanted weapons and examples of PIS. I don't have a problem with you and I don't feel the need to get personal because quite frankly, the goods are on my side. Let's just agree to disagree.
I think your being a bit bias, you see the guy take down Martian Manhunter and then the feat is meaningless that Aquaman one shots him?
Amazo got locked in TP when Martian Manhunter arrived on the scene him being toppled is more an illustration that he couldn't react any more or do anything. It doesn't change the fact that Aquaman harmed a guy that had the League's power. I don't get how that's bad or how you'd ignore all the other stuff just for that one phrase in dialogue,
Or how were ignoring the Triton instance, or Wonder Woman instance.
He got left behind because he was recovering from when Brainiac ambushed him. If you want more context read Panic in the Sky. It's a statement I take those at face value but the writer was trying to suggest that Aquaman by his own admission was fighting guys strong enough to go head to head with Superman, and since you people seem to like statements alot I said why not post that.
Slig is another character suggested to be Superman class and Aquaman handled him fine.
Also how am I reaching? All of the scans I've posted I've told context when context wanted to be known or needed to be? You call you self an AM fan but you've been bias against him this whole thread.
If you read the story he kod Olympian..
Also most of the Sphinx fight wasn't h2h BB resorted to AOE
Against Thor he resorted to Energy Manipulation to amp himself and still got knocked out and these are considered valid despite not being pure h2h? Whereas just because Aquaman has the WH which doesn't amp his physicals and he doesn't even use in the fight it's considered a bad showing? Powerful also doesn't necessarily mean strength in comics.
I hope you do see the problem with that.
😐
you...didn't read my post did you? i SAID it's hard to find pure h2h fights with bb because he has other powers but the ones i showed were at least as impressive as the 'feats' you showed. i also said the ww feat is ok--he didn't really do a damn thing in it except flip her, but....ok she didn't ko him in the first 6 panels so....yay? 😕
olympian showing was good. he HAS some good showings. like i've said 10 times in this thread.
harming amazo? he PUNCHED him once. so what? you are really confused in regards to what constitutes a feat and what doesn't aren't you. i focus on the one piece of dialogue because it's the important piece! triton is a z-lister with no feats to HIS name, so why should anyone be overly impressed by the feat? it was a cool fight, but again, so what?
as far as being biased--lol i just don't feel a need to over-wank someone just because i feel the need to win a pi$$ing contest. i mean you've had what, 4 different people in this thread say your 'feats' aren't feats. that alone should tell you all you need to know about those 'feats'. he DOES have some good ones, and a couple of very good strength feats--better than bolt's strength feats, as i said. but that doesn't matter. in combat feats bolt is at least as good and i'd say better.
if you can't see any of that then no one here can really help you. but stop making it sound like i'm the biased one when it's been you this entire thread who hasn't credited any of bolt's feats. good day sir! 👆
You've yet to suggest how I'm over wanking Aquaman...
I find the Amazo feat impressive because Amazo's "You hurt me" line which is what I suggested he was shown capable of harming Amazo before Amazo got TP'd. I find it impressive because the writer was showing Aquaman posing a threat to Amazo and the reason he goes down is because of Heat Vision. I'm not overwanking him by suggesting what the scan did.
I'm glad you think the Olympian showing is great though. Both on the Olympian and Despero instance though we see them physically take down Martian Manhunter before Aquaman intervenes. I'm not overwanking Aquaman by pointing that out I'm simply suggesting why I find it impressive.
I honestly believe BB and AM are on the same physical tier. I just think in actual physical showings AM has him beat. If you disagree with that, it's completely fine.
In regards to BB amping himself or using his other powers it was more to BAV suggesting Aquaman is more dependent on his Trident or WH or ETC. Which was just ironic to me.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
You've yet to suggest how I'm over wanking Aquaman...I find the Amazo feat impressive because Amazo's "You hurt me" line which is what I suggested he was shown capable of harming Amazo before Amazo got TP'd. I find it impressive because the writer was showing Aquaman posing a threat to Amazo and the reason he goes down is because of Heat Vision. I'm not overwanking him by suggesting what the scan did.
I'm glad you think the Olympian showing is great though. Both on the Olympian and Despero instance though we see them physically take down Martian Manhunter before Aquaman intervenes. I'm not overwanking Aquaman by pointing that out I'm simply suggesting why I find it impressive.
I honestly believe BB and AM are on the same physical tier. I just think in actual physical showings AM has him beat. If you disagree with that, it's completely fine.
In regards to BB amping himself or using his other powers it was more to BAV suggesting Aquaman is more dependent on his Trident or WH or ETC. Which was just ironic to me.
BB amping his strength was not discluded as a stip nor is it an outside amp. I don't know why you are bringing it up or comparing it to a potential outside amp. That's like saying the Hulks strength can't increase, it's pointless because it's a core ability. As far as the Trident, I wasn't even the first poster to bring it up. YOU overstated his ability to effect herald busters like Darkseid and it was pointed out that all he did was injured his eye via his magical Trident. Hand to hand does not involve the use of a magical weaponry, therefore those sort of showings are irrelevant.
You need to accept that your posts have hurt your case more than helped your case.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
BB amping his strength was not discluded as a stip nor is it an outside amp. I don't know why you are bringing it up or comparing it to a potential outside amp. That's like saying the Hulks strength can't increase, it's pointless because it's a core ability. As far as the Trident, I wasn't even the first poster to bring it up. YOU overstated his ability to effect herald busters like Darkseid and it was pointed out that all he did was injured his eye via his magical Trident. Hand to hand does not involve the use of a magical weaponry, therefore those sort of showings are irrelevant.You need to accept that your posts have hurt your case more than helped your case.
So when you assumed WH was a physical amp it wasn't able to be used despite it being physically attached to the character?
I never mentioned Darkseid in this thread.. or any showing of him using the trident in a fight. Save Olympian which he won the fight by hand, so I didn't even bring it up because of the trident.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
So when you assumed WH was a physical amp it wasn't able to be used despite it being physically attached to the character?I never mentioned Darkseid in this thread.. or any showing of him using the trident in a fight. Save Olympian which he won the fight by hand, so I didn't even bring it up because of the trident.
No you didn't, but you did say this:
Aquaman has actually went against legit Herald team busters and done well and this is pure h2h, can BB say the same?
Which prompted Cogito to say this:
Aquaman does not really hurt herald-busters except to poke them with his trident (e.g. Darkseid's eye).
Then you started down this ridiculous path of trying to prove AM is effective against herald busters without his trident, sometimes including pics of him fighting with the trident.
I honestly don't know what you are trying to accomplish. You can post all the scans you want, but you aren't going to change minds at this point. You act like people aren't familiar with Aquaman and you are here to enlighten us.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We can always assume he was at his base levels when he bitched Glads 🙂
Glads is always one of those questionable characters because of the Confidence lvl thing.
Don't get it with Marvel and all these characters with the ability to get stronger whenever.
Hulk, Rage.
Gladiator. Confidence.
Sentry. Mentality.
Etc
