I really wouldn't say that Caesar is smarter. He's smarter in some areas definitely, but Cap is quite a renowned tactician and commander. More so than Caesar. Cap has more battle experience and knowledge. We can get into how Cap probably knows more languages and mathematical equations than Ceasar but that probably won't be as important in this fight as his fight knowledge.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Let me ask you, how much stronger is Cap than Caesar? Also what advantages does Cap hold over Caesar. Please answer:1. Strength
2. Intelligence
3. Agility/Movement
4. Durability
5. Fighting SkillSo would you say Cap owns in all these?
I never said Cap was smarter or more agile.
He is stronger, how much stronger? Hard to say, but it's certainly more than "just a bit".
Durability? Superior, he's taken hits from people as strong as he is, and he is stronger than Caesar.
Fighting skill? I don't know, I find it irrelevant though, certainly Caesar's fighting skills aren't so awesome they will overcome the strength gap. Also don't make the mistake of thinking someone just being quick and agile necessarily shows off fighting skill, it doesn't.
Here we go again, based on what is he's Khan superior? I don't recall Khan having to lift bikes... or cars.. or any of the things Cap was called on to do. Much like comics, feats such as those are usually reserved for heroes, not bad guys, this is a common theme. Khan never had to do such things. Yet, you KNOW for a FACT Cap is his physical superior... odd. It's the same logic you could use to say Cap is stronger than Thanos. Thanos doesn't have a lifting feat to his name. Yet we know, by proxy, he should be VASTLY stronger than Cap. Having using your criteria, we'd have to say Cap is stronger. Does that make sense?
Second, there have been studies that say they are 8 times stronger... some 5.. Some 3.. Some even 2. So it can vary it seems on which study you believe. So no, if Chimps are really 5 times stronger than humans, and Caesar is the strongest of the strongest... What makes you believe Cap is easily stronger? Do tell
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Here we go again, based on what is he's Khan superior? I don't recall Khan having to lift bikes... or cars.. or any of the things Cap was called on to do. Much like comics, feats such as those are usually reserved for heroes, not bad guys, this is a common theme. Khan never had to do such things. Yet, you KNOW for a FACT Cap is his physical superior... odd. It's the same logic you could use to say Cap is stronger than Thanos. Thanos doesn't have a lifting feat to his name. Yet we know, by proxy, he should be VASTLY stronger than Cap. Having using your criteria, we'd have to say Cap is stronger. Does that make sense?Second, there have been studies that say they are 8 times stronger... some 5.. Some 3.. Some even 2. So it can vary it seems on which study you believe. So no, if Chimps are really 5 times stronger than humans, and Caesar is the strongest of the strongest... What makes you believe Cap is easily stronger? Do tell
Are you ever going to support your claim that Caesar is "strongest of chimps" with actual proof or are you going to continue pulling things out from thin air?
Why I think Cap is stronger: Steve used his legs to overpower and pin Bucky's bionic arm in that great film CA:TWS. That same arm which punched into concrete and later tore up Tony's armor. I don't think Caesar is physically powerful enough to overpower the bionic arm with any/all parts of his chimp body.
As for the fight, the only chance Caesar has in winning is taking a dump in his hand, flinging it into Cap's eyes and while Cap is busy wiping the shit out of his eyes, Caesar moves in and castrates Cap with a vicious bite. All things Chimps do. I personally don't see that happening before Cap beats his ape ass in.
Originally posted by KingD19
Based on feats. Like Khan not launching people through the air with punches while Cap does. Or Khan getting a decent fight from someone 3x his inferior in Spock, while Cap does decently against guys who outmuscle him by a lot. Like Loki, Ultron Prime, Spidey, etc...
Ozy has launched people with punches, kicks and throws. Yet he has no lifting feats what so ever. How exactly do you know he's stronger?
Originally posted by Robtard
Why I think Cap is stronger: Steve used his legs to overpower and pin Bucky's bionic arm in that great film CA:TWS. That same arm which punched into concrete and later tore up Tony's armor. I don't think Caesar is physically powerful enough to overpower the bionic arm with any/all parts of his chimp body.As for the fight, the only chance Caesar has in winning is taking a dump in his hand, flinging it into Cap's eyes and while Cap is busy wiping the shit out of his eyes, Caesar moves in and castrates Cap with a vicious bite. All things Chimps do. I personally don't see that happening before Cap beats his ape ass in.
How much stronger is Cap than Caesar bud, to me, the difference would be negligible. What are you thoughts?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Thanos hasn't launched anybody, neither has Odin, neither has a great number of people who we clearly know should be able to. That is my issue here. Going, oh, Cap has lifting feats... these guys don't, thus he's stronger doesn't always work
Thanos's physical strength is questionable. We do not know anything about him yet other than Ronan and Loki are both lower than him. But we do have an idea of how strong Odin is, considering that even a lowly Asgardian farmer is strong enough to crumple a knife in his hand and push around SUVs. We also know that Odin fought against and decimated Frost Giants, which means he should have comparable strength.
Which is my point, it should be assumed that Thanos is EXPONENTIALLY stronger than Cap. He is so in comics. These characters are based on their comic counterparts. Sure there can be differences (a point I've argued before), but many times those have to do with plot more than powers. It should be unquestioned that he's vastly above Cap in strength, yet he has no lifting feats i.e. the point.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How much stronger is Cap than Caesar bud, to me, the difference would be negligible. What are you thoughts?
I'd say several times stronger, Cap has bent steel (TFA), fought and matched a guy who dented his steel kite shield with a punch (TFA), single-arm tossed a man straight up which looked to be around 12-15 feet (TFA). Held up the motorcycle with a few women on it (TFA). That's just TFA.
Then we have Cap overpowering Bucky's bionic arm with a leglock(TWS), ripping apart a log like it was paper (AoU), if I watched all the films over, I'm certain I could go on listing feats that surpass Caesar's chimp-strength.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Which is my point, it should be assumed that Thanos is EXPONENTIALLY stronger than Cap. He is so in comics. These characters are based on their comic counterparts. Sure there can be differences (a point I've argued before), but many times those have to do with plot more than powers. It should be unquestioned that he's vastly above Cap in strength, yet he has no lifting feats i.e. the point.
He should be, but until he is shown then we do not know. This is the movie versus forum, not the comicbook forum. We can powerscale and assume that he's stronger based on the fact that both Ronan and Loki defer to Thanos.
In any case, I don't really see how this helps your case. Cap has loads of strength feats that aren't strictly lifting feats.
Originally posted by Robtard
I'd say several times stronger, Cap has bent steel (TFA), fought and matched a guy who dented his steel kite shield with a punch (TFA), single-arm tossed a man straight up which looked to be around 12-15 feet (TFA). Held up the motorcycle with a few women on it (TFA). That's just TFA.Then we have Cap overpowering Bucky's bionic arm with a leglock(TWS), ripping apart a log like it was paper (AoU), if I watched all the films over, I'm certain I could go on listing feats that surpass Caesar's chimp-strength.
Knocking around Spidey, who was strong enough to flat out stop Bucky's arm, a speeding car, and actually hurt Giant-Man.
Stopping a helicopter from taking off.
Crushing a military jeep with a motorcycle.
Throwing people 30 feet.
Fighting Ultron Prime somewhat evenly.
Fighting Loki.