I'm not saying Galen would have ultimately stalemated or beaten Sidious. I'm saying he's able to force him into desperation as is stated in the text. Also we don't know to what degree Palpatine was feeling pain. It could have been to the point he was going to pass out from it as well.
I mean, even if Galen was an equal to Sidious he's not going to defeat him after fighting through Imperial Forces and defeating Vader. His Force reserves would be depleted a fair amount by that point.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
For the fifth time, him doing that can't be quantified to his own power, nor did he really ever push Palpatine into the state you're implying.There's a reason only you think Marek is a legitimate threat to Palpatine. It's stupid.
Except it can since they were both withstanding their combined power and could've continued doing for an undefined period. Except he did because the text states Palpatine was desperate and that he was feeling an indeterminate amount of pain.
Lol. I've pointed out the flaws in your argument and you've resorted to calling my stance stupid. How low you've fallen Ant.
And, again, the distinction was whereas Marek was unleashing all his power and barely able to remain conscious, Palpatine was enjoying himself and clearly in no threat of actual defeat. So, the scene wasn't an indication of peers, but rather Starkiller facing a threat he had no chance of matching, let alone overcoming.
No, you really haven't. If you did, people would take your Marek arguments seriously. But they don't. 😬
When the text describes Sidious as feeling pain and being desperate I tend to believe he's not going to hold back. Regardless as we've seen in all of his serious fights Sidious has enjoyed them immensely smiling, taunting and laughing aloud at his opponents.
I think it's an indication of how much a weirdo Sidious is tbh. But aside from that I think it's made pretty clear that Galen is very much capable of matching Sidious for a time when already drained. I imagine sometimes what Galen could have done if he had been at full power. The results are... interesting to say the least. 🙂
Except I really have. You made claims. I pointed out that the text contradicted them. You spluttered before, like a little kid, saying "Nah Ah! That's stupid!" And then sulked off.
The only serious fight we saw with Palpatine was with Yoda, and in which the moments where he was in actual trouble, he cut the shit and was visibly serious.
No, you haven't. You want to desperately raise people's opinions on Marek, but you continue to reuse the same points that persuades no one. So, I recommend actually adopting new stances, because your current ones is getting you no where besides being bullied and what not. And then you get mad no one believes you, lmfao. Calling an argument stupid isn't indication of failure, but rather the recognition that it is simply that: stupid.
Fact check:
- Galen Marek was canonically no match for Palpatine's power: Fact.
- Galen Marek is a rival of Darth Vader whereas Palpatine is vastly superior: Fact.
- The Force lock had Marek teetering on unconsciousness but Palpatine getting hard: Fact.
- The fight ended with Marek plastered into a floor dead and Palpatine alive: Fact.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The only serious fight we saw with Palpatine was with Yoda, and in which the moments where he was in actual trouble, he cut the shit and was visibly serious.No, you haven't. You want to desperately raise people's opinions on Marek, but you continue to reuse the same points that persuades no one. So, I recommend actually adopting new stances, because your current ones is getting you no where besides being bullied and what not. And then you get mad no one believes you, lmfao. Calling an argument stupid isn't indication of failure, but rather the recognition that is simply is that: stupid.
Fact check:
- Galen Marek was no match for Palpatine: Fact.
- Galen Marek is a rival of Darth Vader whereas Palpatine is vastly superior: Fact.
- The Force lock had Marek teetering on unconsciousness but Palpatine getting hard: Fact.
- The fight ended with Marek dead and Palpatine alive: Fact.
He was cackling as Yoda absorbed and redirected his lightning forming a pool of power much like this one.
And then after they had both been thrown back Sidious still was still laughing as he was dangling from a platform.
The guy's obviously a little unhinged and his actions reflect that.
The support for the stances I hold are already all anybody needs to see to understand why I hold them.
- After he had fought through Vader and Imperial Forces, yes. 🙂
- Vader is 80% of Palpatine's power according to Lucas and Galen is Vader's clear superior.
- The Force lock had a drained Galen on the verge of unconsciousness and Sidious suffering an indeterminate amount of pain that did indeed bring sexual pleasure but also may have had him in the same state as Galen.
- When Galen actively lowered his defenses to save the Rebels and Juno.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He was laughing when he was winning the Force lock, but stopped as it progressed. And he was laughing when he was dangling because he won the fight.Also, stop with the huge images. We've all seen the comic.
And during his fight with Mace? Or are you taking back the stance that Mace was pressuring Sidious during the fight? 🙂
If you had I would assume you wouldn't be making arguments that directly contradict it.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
All of his saber fights being gaining the advantage over Kenbobi by "unbalancing" him in the first and being unable to press any advantage while he had the aid of his brother and Obi Wan was cornered in the second?This isn't even mentioning the fact that Galen has already fought a module of Maul so he'll have the advantage of knowing his fighting style in a bout against him.
All Maul vs Kenobi Saber fights in TCW:
Fight no.1 in "Revenge"
Kenobi is winning at first, then after he helps Ventress, the tables start turning and Maul starts winning, BEFORE he unbalanced Kenobi. After the Unbalancing, Kenobi admits to being outmatched and runs away. Result: Maul wins in a context specific scenario.
Fight no.2 in "Revival", the one you conveniently missed out:
Maul fights Kenobi 1 on 1 for an extended period while Opress fights Adi. Neither combatant is getting the better of the other. Result: Stalemate.
Fight no.3 in "Revival"
Kenobi briefly defends against Maul and Opress outside. But he keeps backing off and grabs Adi's Saber before running away. Result: Unfinished fight, but Kenobi ran, so win for the brothers.
Fight no.4 in "Revival"
Kenobi fights both brothers in the cave, where their size gave them
Less mobility than he had in the confined space. He used Jar Kai to defend against both brothers simultaneously, and he was more focused and determined after Adi's death. Also his Soresu is designed for fighting in tight quarters anyway. Result: Kenobi wins in a context specific scenario, but Maul's own defences actually held, and he was never once put down.
Conclusion from all fights: Maul and Kenobi are peers in Saber fights.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
All Maul vs Kenobi Saber fights in TCW:Fight no.1 in "Revenge"
Kenobi is winning at first, then after he helps Ventress, the tables start turning and Maul starts winning, BEFORE he unbalanced Kenobi. After Unbalancing, Kenobi admits to being outmatched and runs away. Result: Maul wins in a context specific scenario.
Fight no.2 in "Revival", the one you conveniently missed out:
Maul fights Kenobi 1 on 1 for an extended period while Opress fights Adi. Neither combatant is getting the better of the other. Result: Stalemate.
Fight no.3 in "Revival"
Kenobi briefly defends against Maul and Opress outside. But he keeps backing off and grabs Adi's Saber before running away. Result: Unfinished fight, but Kenobi ran, so win for the brothers.
Fight no.4 in "Revival"
Kenobi fights both brothers in the cave, where their size gave them
Less mobility than he had in the confined space. He used Jar Kai to defend against both brothers simultaneously, and he was more focused and determined after Adi's death. Also his Soresu is designed for fighting in tight quarters anyway. Result: Kenobi wins in a context specific scenario, but Maul's own defences actually held, and he was never once put down.Conclusion from all fights: Maul and Kenobi are peers in Saber fights.
Give me the timestamp for that in this video. It could be that you're mistaking Obi Wan for simply being a defensive fighter for Maul having the advantage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJiphrbLyg
Honestly, I didn't even remember that fight. But as you say it was a stalemate.
Yes, I'd expect both brothers to be Kenobi's superior in an open space.
Maul and Kenobi are peers in TCW. With Kenobi's improvement as of LoE supported by his performance against Dooku in RotS, Obi Wan would be his superior.