Old Master Maul vs. Galen Marek (Lightsabers only)

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
You know Force users constantly make up for physical exhaustion, old age or injuries with force augmentation correct? It doesn't take away the fact that those factors hamper them in a fight. I'm saying your bases for Obi Wan being outmatched because of that statement is flawed.

Given they were fighting evenly before that point with Maul only landing some kicks after Obi Wan's exhaustion set in I'd have to disagree. Anakin did underperform both in LoE and in his fight against Dooku when he was unbalanced. It was when he was unconsciously and then consciously drawing on his rage that allowed him to accomplish what he did. Or maybe it's an indication that their simply a defensive fight which makes sense given its Obi Wan? :/

No, the point stands that he could've improved in that area but that it's not confirmed and that your assumption of such is not backed up by anything but your own opinion.

Of course, an injury is an injury but you have no evidence that Obi-Wan's injury was severe enough to hinder him during his fight with Maul.

Dueling evenly? Blocking a few blows isn't dueling evenly, nor is there any evidence that Obi-Wan became tired or anything in that area. Obi-Wan did, like Anakin on the Invisible Hand, unleash his fury (this is a fact -> StarWars.com) so I don't quite see the difference here....

Yes, Obi-Wan normally prefers a defensive stance in a fight but that's mainly it, his Soresu is made to prolong fights so using the duration of their fight is hardly a good way to measure their respective levels of skill. That Maul casually dismantled Obi-Wan who's in a full offense, like on Naboo, clearly points out who's the better fighter and the latter admitted as much during their duel on the Turtle Tanker.

My opinion? Oh please, the very reason Savage comments that Maul's become powerful is because he's overwhelmed in a contest of martial skill, so I think it's not just my opinion which points at Maul improving as a fighter between S4 and S5.

Kenobi had an advantage over Maul (because he was unpracticed with his new legs) until the latter landed two kicks on him, at which point Kenobi is visibly injured and Maul uses Dun Moch to weaken him further, under which circumstances he is defeated easily.

However at no point was the fight on the Turtle Tanker "fair" for any party.

I can't find the quote in question but ask Beni or anybody else. Anakin says that Obi Wan has also grown in power when Obi Wan comments on Anakin's growth.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Of course, an injury is an injury but you have no evidence that Obi-Wan's injury was severe enough to hinder him during his fight with Maul.

Dueling evenly? Blocking a few blows isn't dueling evenly, nor is there any evidence that Obi-Wan became tired or anything in that area. Obi-Wan did, like Anakin on the Invisible Hand, unleash his fury (this is a fact -> StarWars.com) so I don't quite see the difference here....

Yes, Obi-Wan normally prefers a defensive stance in a fight but that's mainly it, his Soresu is made to prolong fights so using the duration of their fight is hardly a good way to measure their respective levels of skill. That Maul casually dismantled Obi-Wan who's in a full offense, like on Naboo, clearly points out who's the better fighter and the latter admitted as much during their duel on the Turtle Tanker.

My opinion? Oh please, the very reason Savage comments that Maul's become powerful is because he's overwhelmed in a contest of martial skill, so I think it's not just my opinion which points at Maul improving as a fighter between S4 and S5.

We know he had trouble standing right before he fought Maul. I think that that's evidence enough he was hindered to some degree.

Neither of them had an edge over each other for the entire time the fight focused on Savage and Ventress. So yes, I call that dueling evenly. Obi Wan was stated to have been unbalanced and given his performance against Maul before and in future engagements it only makes sense.

A good way to measure it is to acknowledge the openings Obi Wan created throughout the fight which he could have exploited. I find him TK'ing Maul into a stack of crates to be a goo example of such. Obi Wan admitted that he Ventress were outmatched against the Brothers after he had been physically beaten to the point he had trouble standing.

No, but it's your opinion that he improved as a duelist or as a martial artist. We know he became more powerful and thus a superior combatant but not more skilled.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Kenobi had an advantage over Maul (because he was unpracticed with his new legs) until the latter landed two kicks on him, at which point Kenobi is visibly injured and Maul uses Dun Moch to weaken him further, under which circumstances he is defeated easily.

However at no point was the fight on the Turtle Tanker "fair" for any party.

You're right. It was loaded with circumstances. Regardless Obi Wan and Maul always dueled as peers in their fights in TCW.

Grievous also got curbed by an early TCW Fisto, TCW is inconsistent af

Fisto has a form well suited to fighting Grievous and Grievous had been injured prior to their fight along with being pre prime.

Argh I won't even go there again.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I can't find the quote in question but ask Beni or anybody else. Anakin says that Obi Wan has also grown in power when Obi Wan comments on Anakin's growth.

Need the context though to understand the period he's grown from.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Need the context though to understand the period he's grown from.

I'll ask on G chat. The context was that both Anakin and Obi Wan had grown during the Outer Rim sieges.