Novel Vitiate vs Dathomir Talzin

I disagree entirely. That meteor feat for Revan is on par with anything Vader has done in regard to TK, and being weakened makes all the more impressive. Easily deflecting lightning powerful enough to disintegrate people, also while weakened, is more impressive than Yoda's handling of Dooku's lightning BY MILES; and the ability to absorb most of Vitiate's lightning while being weakened on a dark side nexus is immensely impressive. Ant might not say exactly the same as what I believe personally, but I'd assume he'd think at least somewhat similarly.

Ant has Plagueis above Revan in the Force, and Yoda above him. You do not think overly similarly, I'm afraid.

I disagree entirely.

That meteor feat for Revan is on par with anything Vader has done in regard to TK

No, it really isn't, lmao. Collapsing a cathedral massive enough to sport an underground labyrinth, while willing himself to stay alive, decades before his prime, is more impressive, kek.

Easily deflecting lightning powerful enough to disintegrate people, also while weakened, is more impressive than Yoda's handling of Dooku's lightning BY MILES

Who cares? Yoda's best feat is holding off lightning from a Sith Lord far more powerful than Dooku, in Darth Sidious. While you're latching on to that one shitty Dooku feat is beyond me, and cherry picking at it's absolute finest. Glad you ignored Yoda's TK showings shitting all over Revan's though.

Yoda obviously has some great TK feats that are above Revan's. The Cathedral feats is one of Vader's absolute best feats, and that's the only one that's far more impressive than Revan's.

Originally posted by Trocity
Ant has Plagueis above Revan in the Force, and Yoda above him. You do not think overly similarly, I'm afraid.

Given that Luceno himself said a fight between the two might have been in favor of Plagueis as of TPM I believe that's why Ant holds the stance he does.

Plagueis is the superior duelist, in that I agree; but I think Revan has the Force advantage and is skilled enough with a blade to pose a threat.

I think Ant begrudgingly puts Plagueis over Revan to keep the peace. I've seen too many past hissy fits to believe those are his genuine convictions.

You know a duel refers to a conflict between two force users in SW correct?

You think Revan is above TPM Sidious as a Force user?...

Originally posted by darthbane77
and being weakened makes all the more impressive. Easily deflecting lightning powerful enough to disintegrate people, also while weakened, is more impressive than Yoda's handling of Dooku's lightning BY MILES;

No, it isn't, LMAO. A weakened Dooku's lightning was enough to kill Force sensitives as potent as Asajj, or Vos; and give Sidious extreme assistance against an equal of his -- i.e. Talzin -- on top of surpassing the raw power Maul was handing over to his mother.

His lightning feats should, at the very least, rival Nyriss'.

Originally posted by MythLord
No, it isn't, LMAO. A weakened Dooku's lightning was enough to kill Force sensitives as potent as Asajj, or Vos; and give Sidious extreme assistance against an equal of his -- i.e. Talzin -- on top of surpassing the raw power Maul was handing over to his mother.

His lightning feats should, at the very least, rival Nyriss'.

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I think SoR Revan is powerful enough in the Force to contend with, but not defeat, people like Yoda and ROTS Sidious. In the Force I hold Revan and Caedus as about equal to TPM Sidious, possibly between TPM and ROTS Sidious.

How the hell is Caedus an equal to TPM Sidious in the Force?

How is Revan equal to TPM Sidious in the Force?

I mean, granted he doesn't have as many feats, but we can form a pretry solid standing for him.

Not that your post has anything to do with mine. You're sorta moving the goalpost and saying "It's my MO" to pass without resistance or debate?

Nah he thinks Revan is TPM Sidious's superior. LOL.

Even worse.

^^^Potentially. And there's nothing ti suggest otherwise. TPM Sidious is about equal to Plagueis, maybe slightly above him; and I hold Revan as above Plagueis by a decent margin. I'm not saying he could defeat ROTS Sidious or Yoda, just that he's powerful enough to give them a fight.

DB. You understand that TPM Sidious was capable of moving so fast Maul wasn't capable of percieving him, was at the time already concealing his presence from the Jedi Order ( among its members, beings such as Yoda ) and was carrying out rituals that unbalanced the Force itself? Not only with Plagueis btw but by himself throughout the Clone Wars.

The idea that Revan is ahead of Plagueis itself is rather questionable and even Revan's reigning champion and debater, Ant, believes Plagueis to be superior.

I trust his judgement and objectivity far more than I trust yours.

It's cute and all what you think, but until you can substantiate said thoughts with anything other than literal headcanon, they shouldn't be relevant to any debater.

During the Clone Wars by himself is fine, TCW Sidious is above Revan (because TCW Sidious is practically ROTS Sidious) but as of TPM I think Revan is somewhat more powerful.