Novel Vitiate vs Dathomir Talzin

Which characters made up the strike team and in what way did he dominate them? As of now it sounds a lot like Revan's feat which isn't comparable to Yoda or Sidious's best feats.

He drained Ziost after feeding off the madness and hate of the population he'd driven to insanity meaning that would not be within his standard capabilities.

First off it's a ritual meaning he is incapable of accomplishing this without prep. Second, what the f*ck are you talking about.

I don't give a sh!t about his Valkorian feats. He's far more powerful in that form. We're talking about his incarnation as Vitiate.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Which characters made up the strike team and in what way did he dominate them? As of now it sounds a lot like Revan's feat which isn't comparable to Yoda or Sidious's best feats.

He drained Ziost after feeding off the madness and hate of the population he'd driven to insanity meaning that would not be within his standard capabilities.

First off it's a ritual meaning he is incapable of accomplishing this without prep. Second, what the f*ck are you talking about.

I don't give a sh!t about his Valkorian feats. He's far more powerful in that form. We're talking about his incarnation as Vitiate.

The Hero of Tython, Tol Braga, Kira Carsen, Leeha Narezz and Warren Sedoru. The Strike team is stated to be comprised of the "strongest" "most powerful and most resolute" Jedi in the Order. Vitiate easily curbstomped them with lightning, holding them in place with a lightning storm and then blasting them with a focused burst.

You're right, it isn't in his standard capabilities. Because he was weakened when the performed that feat and the whole point was merely regaining his true power.

You're assuming that it was a ritual. It wasn't actually said to be one in any way.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Which characters made up the strike team and in what way did he dominate them? As of now it sounds a lot like Revan's feat which isn't comparable to Yoda or Sidious's best feats.

He drained Ziost after feeding off the madness and hate of the population he'd driven to insanity meaning that would not be within his standard capabilities.

First off it's a ritual meaning he is incapable of accomplishing this without prep. Second, what the f*ck are you talking about.

I don't give a sh!t about his Valkorian feats. He's far more powerful in that form. We're talking about his incarnation as Vitiate.

So essentially he froze HoT and 4 no name Jedi in place. Yeah, not on Sidious or Yoda's level tbh.

Feeding on the population was within his capabilities. Draining the planet was not. We have no idea how much power he gained from what he did on Ziost either in the initial feeding or the complete drain.

Except it was by DB. You can hardly accuse me of assuming/misinterpreting when that's exactly what he said. -__-

Originally posted by darthbane77
being powerful enough to perform a ritual that would have wiped out all life in the galaxy

Now explain this galaxy busting feat to me please.

Originally posted by darthbane77
Another feat, his destroyed all of the members of the Dark Council, save for 1; whom he chose to spare. If the Dark Council of that time was even close to as powerful as Nyriss then he easily destroyed 9 possibly Nyriss equivalent opponents. The strike team consisted of Tol Braga, the HoT, Warden Sedoru and Leeha Narezz; all some of the most powerful Jedi in the order; Vitiate curbed them. The ritual isn't combat applicable, but it's testament to his power that he could have succeeded in draining the entire galaxy; even with some help. His feat on Ziost is still incredibly impressive, he fed on the darkness there just enough so he could drain the planet; and when he finally did drain the planet he did it alone, no ritual, just drained it.

On Dromund Kaas nexus. You were telling me about his off nexus feats. 🙂

Nyriss was one of the most powerful on the Council in her time. And no, if the Councils of the past had been close to Nyriss that would not make them her equals or the feat equivalent to what you're suggesting.

Already heard the spiel from Neph and addressed it.

Some help from who? I feel like both you and Neph are leaving out some important details. 😛

How do you know he fed on it JUST ENOUGH to accomplish his drain of the planet? How do you know how much draining the planet empowered him?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
So essentially he froze HoT and 4 no name Jedi in place. Yeah, not on Sidious or Yoda's level tbh.

Feeding on the population was within his capabilities. Draining the planet was not. We have no idea how much power he gained from what he did on Ziost either in the initial feeding or the complete drain.

Except it was by DB. You can hardly accuse me of assuming/misinterpreting when that's exactly what he said. -__-

Now explain this galaxy busting feat to me please.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
So essentially he froze HoT and 4 no name Jedi in place. Yeah, not on Sidious or Yoda's level tbh.

Feeding on the population was within his capabilities. Draining the planet was not. We have no idea how much power he gained from what he did on Ziost either in the initial feeding or the complete drain.

Except it was by DB. You can hardly accuse me of assuming/misinterpreting when that's exactly what he said. -__-

Now explain this galaxy busting feat to me please.

Lol, so you have no clue what we're talking about, huh? As I said, he followed it up with knocking them all out with a blast of lightning. And I dislike repeating myself, but these were not no-name Jedi. Tol Braga was Dark Council level and the others are stated to be the strongest Jedi alive. That said, I actually doubt Yoda and Sidious could curbstomp 4-5 of the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy at once. Obviously Marek could tho!!!

Yes....... because he was immensely weakened by the HoT killing him. Ziost's aim was to restore him to his full power.

Ah, I misunderstood. I thought you were still talking about Ziost.

He was going to drain all life in the galaxy just like he did Nathema. By feeding on the mass deaths caused in the Galactic War, he'd fuel a ritual with the power to extinquish all life in the galaxy.

Zzzz...

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol, so you have no clue what we're talking about, huh? As I said, he followed it up with knocking them all out with a blast of lightning. And I dislike repeating myself, but these were not no-name Jedi. Tol Braga was Dark Council level and the others are stated to be the strongest Jedi alive. That said, I actually doubt Yoda and Sidious could curbstomp 4-5 of the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy at once. Obviously Marek could tho!!!

Yes....... because he was immensely weakened by the HoT killing him. Ziost's aim was to restore him to his full power.

Ah, I misunderstood. I thought you were still talking about Ziost.

He was going to drain all life in the galaxy just like he did Nathema. By feeding on the mass deaths caused in the Galactic War, he'd fuel a ritual with the power to extinquish all life in the galaxy.

They're no name/featless Jedi. They have an accolade a lot worse then one Plo Koon possesses about being one of the greatest OF ALL TIME. So no I'm sorry, I don't place characters all that highly according to accolades. I don't care about what you doubt. I care about the characters we're discussing and their comparative feats.

Which it likely did. But do we know how much power he gained from doing so? Is there a statement by the game developers? If not then the amount of power he gained is your assumption.

No problem.

Ah, not his own power then.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Zzzz...

Originally posted by darthbane77
The same as was required for his ritual on Nathema, he bound the wills of his subjects to him and forced them to pool their collective power to feed him. The result was going to be a build-up of enough power that Vitiate would have been able to drain all life from the galaxy. He received help from his subjects, but it was minimal in comparison to the first time he performed it.

According to Neph you're wrong. Take it up with him. As much disdain as I have for him I take his statements on SWTOR stuff over yours.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
According to Neph you're wrong. Take it up with him. As much disdain as I have for him I take his statements on SWTOR stuff over yours.

Not based off his own power meaning

How is it not based on his own power, using his own power he fed on the deaths of those who fought in the war and was going to perform his ritual. Doing these things would have been by his own power.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
They're no name/featless Jedi. They have an accolade a lot worse then one Plo Koon possesses about being one of the greatest OF ALL TIME. So no I'm sorry, I don't place characters all that highly according to accolades. I don't care about what you doubt. I care about the characters we're discussing and their comparative feats.

Which it likely did. But do we know how much power he gained from doing so? Is there a statement by the game developers? If not then the amount of power he gained is your assumption.

No problem.

Ah, not his own power then.

Maybe you should actually stick to shit where you know the slightest bit of what you're talking about. They were not no-names or featless. And Koon's accolade is strictly worse than the TOR Strike teams. And neither do I give the slightest shit about your opinions, since they are universally terrible. I'm simply informing you of the facts due to your complete ignorance. Be grateful.

I've no clue what you're raving about. If Vitiate had gained enough power to be at full strength and regain his form just via possessing Ziost and feeding on them then he wouldn't need to have wiped out the planet to do so.

If you like. I rather think be capable of wiping out the galaxy is impressive regardless of needing a few billion deaths as collateral. And for the record he is shown achieving this feat in a vision at a later point without any genocidal requirements.

Lol @ Neph suggesting Yoda and Sidious wouldn't trash that strike team. 🙂

Originally posted by darthbane77
How is it not based on his own power, using his own power he fed on the deaths of those who fought in the war and was going to perform his ritual. Doing these things would have been by his own power.

The power to wipe out the galaxy is based on using the energy of the combined life force of all the deaths caused in the Galactic Civil War. He cannot bring about such an event purely under his own power.

No shit. If he could wipe out the galaxy on his own Vitiate vs Sidious wouldn't remotely be a discussion. That he is capable is, however, an indication of his ability. Not that I'd use it in a forum debate, myself.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
the Galactic Civil War.

The feat is impressive nonetheless, as he needed to concentrate all that power for use in the first place.