Great Battles Vol 1: Darth Plagueis vs. Vitiate (Revan novel)

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He used the Ravager to leave Malachor in the first place.
And Kreia discovered him on Malachor, so that must have happened after his tutelage.

Source? And even if so, he still hasn't consumed any worlds yet (and his hunger = his power), so he's still blatantly pre-prime.

It's what I infer from his bio in the KOTOR campaign guide, and he consumed worlds in order to sustain his very existence, given he wound was constantly eating away at him. So consuming planet's would have necessarily made him much more powerful.

The KotORCG suggests the opposite, really.

It accounts how Kreia went to Malachor, studied in the Trayus Academy, and then went out to seek for Force wounds.

And then she found Darth Nihilus and Darth Sion.

I was referring to again Nihilus' bio which reads:

Framing this within the contexts of Nihilus being stranded on Malachor, he doesn't appear to leave, and doesn't appear to be in any condition to. It would make much more sense for him to do so after Kreia gives him power and purpose.

More than that Nihilus can't pilot a ship on his own, he'd need subordinates for that.

He does appear to leave though: "he begins feeding relentlessly, still always craving."

The hell is he feeding on - on a world like Malachor? He's clearly elsewhere.

More than that Nihilus can't pilot a ship on his own, he'd need subordinates for that.

There's no visible subordinates in the Katarr comic.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He does appear to leave though: "he begins feeding relentlessly, still always craving."

The hell is he feeding on - on a world like Malachor? He's clearly elsewhere.

Other survivors? If he survived many others could have well.

That said the KOTORCG doesn't actually make any mention of Nihilus being on Malachor, so that could be the misinterpretation.

Note that before Nihilus began consuming worlds, he first consumed individuals and then small populations.
According to what?
Most of his crew is from Onderon, in which the treaty they had together could have been prior to his tutelage to Kreia.
How did he get to Onderon without a crew lol? Regardless they aren't from Onderon, they wear Imperial uniforms, and Nihilus extended his treaty with the Onderonians under the guise of the Sith because y'know, he actually had something to give them.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Other survivors? If he survived many others could have well.

The only survivors were the ones he consumed. Everyone else was dead.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
That said the KOTORCG doesn't actually make any mention of Nihilus being on Malachor, so that could be the misinterpretation.

What are you talking about? He was a Jedi who fought during the Battle of Malachor V that was exposed to the Mass Shadow Generator. Like Meetra Surik, he was in a unique position between utter destruction and safety, and rather than severing himself up from the Force, he opened himself up to the destruction and became a dark side abomination. When the dust settled, he was on the world of Malachor V, killed the last survivors around him, and then fled the world with the Ravager seeking more power. He destroyed populations under Kreia found him and showed him how to master his abilities.

According to what?

"Darth Nihilus is literally a destroyer of worlds, powered by an insatiable hunger that drives him to consume greater and greater populations."

How did he get to Onderon without a crew lol? Regardless they aren't from Onderon, they were Imperial uniforms, and Nihilus extended his treaty with the Onderonians under the guise of the Sith because y'know, he actually had something to give them.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
There's no visible subordinates in the Katarr comic.

As in, yeah, he moved the ship with his own power early on. 👆

Nihilus used TK to fly the ravager out of Malachov V. That's been well known for years.

Beni's a little slow on stuff.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Nihilus used TK to fly the ravager out of Malachov V. That's been well known for years.

Really now? And here I was thinking the ship flew. 😂

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Nihilus used TK to fly the ravager out of Malachov V. That's been well known for years.

No one has been denying that. The argument is when did he do so. All we know is it was during the Dark Wars.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The only survivors were the ones he consumed. Everyone else was dead.
According to what?
What are you talking about? He was a Jedi who fought during the Battle of Malachor V that was exposed to the Mass Shadow Generator. Like Meetra Surik, he was in a unique position between utter destruction and safety, and rather than severing himself up from the Force, he opened himself up to the destruction and became a dark side abomination. When the dust settled, he was on the world of Malachor V, killed the last survivors around him, and then fled the world with the Ravager seeking more power. He destroyed populations under Kreia found him and showed him how to master his abilities.
I know the story, but I'm saying none of that is mentioned in Nihilus bio, or anywhere in the guide to my knowledge, so it may be an inconsistency.
"Darth Nihilus is literally a destroyer of worlds, powered by an insatiable hunger that drives him to consume greater and greater populations."
That could easily refer to planetary populations, and within the context of him being a "destroyer of worlds", it probably does.
As in, yeah, he moved the ship with his own power early on. 👆
Likely a stylistic choice, since at this point Nihilus has Sith forces at his disposal. Why would he abruptly adopt a crew at this point? Especially when apparently he doesn't need one.

But moving a ship with his mind, OK lol. So a no-name Jedi gets stranded on Malachor, gobbles up the crew and now he can pilot capital ships with the Force? That strikes me as absurd.

Yea. One of those force anomalies that happen occasionally. Its stupid but it happened, whether you like it or not. Happened with the exile as well.

No it didn't, with the Exile she got steadily more powerful over a long period of time, the wound didn't make her suddenly uber strong, in fact it deafened her to the Force.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No it didn't, with the Exile she got steadily more powerful over a long period of time, the wound didn't make her suddenly uber strong, in fact it deafened her to the Force.
You mean aside from sion and nihilus being unable to defeat her while forming force bonds at an accelerated level? 👆

Originally posted by Beniboybling
According to what?

The quote you provided showing him consuming people on Malachor V.

I know the story,

Obviously not.

but I'm saying none of that is mentioned in Nihilus bio, or anywhere in the guide to my knowledge, so it may be an inconsistency.

Or you just can't comprehend the bigger picture.

That said were is it stated he used the Ravager to escape the planet?

"The Ravager was hauled from the gravity well at Malachor V by its new master. He used it to escape imprisonment on Malachor V."

You're interpretation doesn't hold up to the implications of the quote.

That could easily refer to planetary populations, and within the context of him being a "destroyer of worlds", it probably does.

No. It should be obvious from the KotORCG, and then from that quote, that he gradually made his way up to planetary populations.

I guess I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Likely a stylistic choice, since at this point Nihilus has Sith forces at his disposal. Why would he abruptly adopt a crew at this point? Especially when apparently he doesn't need one.

Because his presence was gradually repairing the ship, as per Avellone. Hence why in KotOR II, we see its engines working.

But moving a ship with his mind, OK lol. So a no-name Jedi gets stranded on Malachor, gobbles up the crew and now he can pilot capital ships with the Force? That strikes me as absurd.

So is everything related to KotOR II. It's not a big surprise.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
You mean aside from sion and nihilus being unable to defeat her while forming force bonds at an accelerated level? 👆
Who would have whooped her ass on Peragus, quite.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No. It should be obvious from the KotORCG, and then from that quote, that he gradually made his way up to planetary populations.

I guess I wouldn't expect you to understand.

And why couldn't that be under the tutelage of Kreia? Regardless, his bio from the guide makes no mention of him draining "populations" until he meets Kreia and the quote you provided is referring to planetary population as Beni suggested.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Who would have whooped her ass on Peragus, quite.
Ah yes, woulda coulda etc. You should have conceded hours ago but i see you're going to beat this dead horse quan style.