Great Battles Vol 1: Darth Plagueis vs. Vitiate (Revan novel)

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The Ravager is the only ship present during the devastation of Katarr, so he didn't appear to have a fleet yet.

How the hell did the thread get derailed into the chronology of Nihilus's illustrious career as a world eater? lol

Nihilus was always getting more and more powerful from his hunger:

"Perhaps he will grow strong enough to eradicate all life, merely with his presence."

―Visas Marr (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)

His telekinesis also goes far beyond a fleet of ships:

"Then her lies will mean the planet's destruction, he will destroy all of Telos. He will turn it to fire again and crush the planet beneath him. He will devour them all, murder them all."

"If there are no Jedi here, then my Lord cannot feed his hunger. He will destroy the planet, the station, he will cleanse it of life. Even if the people below are not Force Sensitive, the small amount he can feed on from the mass destruction of the station, and the life of the planet, will sustain him a while longer."

―Visas Marr and Tobin (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)

What he does is not just draining the life from the surfaces of worlds, he destroys the surfaces of worlds completely.

@ Tempest:

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Is there any reason to believe Nihilus didn't achieve this feat by drawing off the Malachor nexus?

Originally posted by ares834
If the satisfaction from feeding last shorter then he has to feed more often. Which is what I said.

That's exactly what the KOTOR campaign guide says. 👆

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Well according to the SWTOR's codex of Kreia (http://www.swtor-spy.com/codex/the-entity-warrior/1150/), it's stated that she "all but eradicated the Jedi Order."

That implies her, Sion, and Nihilus all played crucial roles in destroying the remaining Jedi. Plus, didn't Katarr take place prior to Kreia's ousting as well?

I admit though that the amount of Jedi still alive varies by source. I recall KotOR 1 saying the entire Jedi Order fought in the battle of Lehon, or something.

Well that assumes the Entity is Kreia which I admittedly find quite likely. Regardless, she did do so by forming the Sith Triumvirate, training Nihilus and Sion, and killing those final three Jedi Masters.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
According to what? The comic doesn't even give the opportunity to show if he had a fleet or not.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
How the hell did the thread get derailed into the chronology of Nihilus's illustrious career as a world eater? lol

Not to mitigate the conversation, which does seem intriguing, but perhaps we ought to move it to its own thread?

Originally posted by AncientPower
Nihilus was always getting more and more powerful from his hunger:

His telekinesis also goes far beyond a fleet of ships:

What he does is not just draining the life from the surfaces of worlds, he destroys the surfaces of worlds completely.

Every force drain made him more powerful. This was shown in the game and stated by Kreia. It was all leading to his destruction anyways.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Not to mitigate the conversation, which does seem intriguing, but perhaps we ought to move it to its own thread?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
He didn't hold the ship together, since it was just fine after he died. I also think it's a double standard to dismiss the publisher's blurb purely on an attack on the publishers' literary engagement, but then take verbatim sources that actually don't make any sense (like Nihilus holding the Ravager together).

This is still being pedalled? What's with the constant lack of common sense in these debates?

"This ship is from Malachor. This Sith Lord of yours bolsters his fleet with the ships from that world... he's nothing more than a scavenger..."

"This ship, is it his weakness? It should not exist, yet it cruises the darkness between the stars. He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet, that is a measure of his power."

"This ship is barely holding itself together. The structural damage should have destroyed it long ago."

"He holds it together. And he keeps us all alive, just enough, like rotworms within a dying beast."

―Canderous Ordo and Tobin (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)

It wasn't even moving when he died, so of course it isn't going to literally fall apart instantaneously, Darth Nihilus was holding it together through hyperspace jumps and thrust. When something is supported long enough, especially in space, it will be capable of largely holding itself together for a period of time.

I know what's going to be brought up though, 'why did they need three charges to blow it apart then?' Because if they hadn't have blown it up in space:

It's called a rationalization for a reason.

I agree with Tempest; let's put the Nihilus debate somewhere else.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He was the most powerful as per when the publication was written.

Yeah, you still haven't backed up this attempt to shoehorn OOU dates into the in-universe canon.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Can you link me to what their contracts say, then?

I think you're being unnecessarily pedantic here. You presumably realize that authors' work is influenced by their publishers (I mean, I'm assuming you agree with this simple premise, right?), and that this publisher empirically did have the ability to influence the product by putting the blurb on the back. There's no reason to state that they are entirely lacking in any sort of license here, especially given that the belief just happens to coincide with

1. Plagueis's own musings (despite his being perfectly willing to accept that the ancients may have been stronger than him before his prime)
2. Sidious's own status as the most powerful sith of all time just shortly afterwards
3. The duo unbalancing the Force itself, to the point where the prophesied Chosen One was created.

It fits into the broader narrative well enough for me to buy it. You, meanwhile, are just dismissing it because you don't like its conclusion.

So once again, I still see nobody backing up any of Vitiate's feats while also trying to take into account the powerful nexus he's been sitting in his whole life, not to mention his near inability to overpower Revan on it. The reason why we got down the Nihilus path was that Ant suggested we just power scale Vitiate off of him or something.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yeah, you still haven't backed up this attempt to shoehorn OOU dates into the in-universe canon.

I think you're being unnecessarily pedantic here. You presumably realize that authors' work is influenced by their publishers (I mean, I'm assuming you agree with this simple premise, right?), and that this publisher empirically did have the ability to influence the product by putting the blurb on the back. There's no reason to state that they are entirely lacking in any sort of license here, especially given that the belief just happens to coincide with

1. Plagueis's own musings (despite his being perfectly willing to accept that the ancients may have been stronger than him before his prime)
2. Sidious's own status as the most powerful sith of all time just shortly afterwards
3. The duo unbalancing the Force itself, to the point where the prophesied Chosen One was created.

It fits into the broader narrative well enough for me to buy it. You, meanwhile, are just dismissing it because you don't like its conclusion.

Marketing is a publishing department but we'll ignore that.

Though it's generally editorial who handle the blurbs.

I know, but "the publishers" suggest someone of authority, while "some guy from marketing," as Drew put it, is not.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
As made clear by commonly referencing Avellone and Gillard in debates, I take author intent seriously, and it's clear when those quotes were written they weren't imagining an immortal Sith Lord who has the power of eight-thousand lesser Sith.

Says who?

"As evidenced by those few Lords who had managed to perpetuate their spirits after physical death-foremost among them Emperor Vitiate, who was said to have lived a thousand years-the ancient Sith had come halfway across that bridge."

--Darth Plagueis