Nicholas Cage (Next) vs Captain America

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Originally posted by Silent Master
WS >>>>>>>>>> Cris, there is zero chance he'll land enough attacks to ko Cap.
Depends on how many attacks it will take. If Less than 50 then Cage can win. If it takes more than 100 then Cage loses.
Between 51 and 99 I don't know (depends on Cages upper stamina).

Originally posted by h1a8
Depends on how many attacks it will take. If Less than 50 then Cage can win. If it takes more than 100 then Cage loses.
Between 51 and 99 I don't know (depends on Cages upper stamina).

Cris has zero chance of landing more than 2 or 3 hits, at best.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Cris has zero chance of landing more than 2 or 3 hits, at best.
How so? He will never throw a punch unless he sees it connecting. He can dodge or block with his knuckles and counter.

The only way he doesn't land more than 2 or 3 attacks is if Cap simply stops attacking Chris and waits him out.

Originally posted by h1a8
How so? He will never throw a punch unless he sees it connecting. He can dodge or block with his knuckles and counter.

The only way he doesn't land more than 2 or 3 attacks is if Cap simply stops attacking Chris and waits him out.

Which means he'll never throw a punch as Cap is both faster and more skilled.

Originally posted by h1a8
He will counter the moment Steve misses the first attack. He's not going to sit there and just dodge. A missed attack will result in a head blow to Steve.

He was able to dodge a barrage of bullets. He doesn't have to prepare for the entire sequence, he prepares for each move.


That's my point, there isn't a sequence to prepare for. Once Cap misses the first punch he's going to come at him differently. If you're saying that he could map out the entire fight, that's fine, but even with prep there's no way he has the speed to stay out of the way of an entire barrage of Steve's punches, foreknowledge or not.

h1a8 is under the impression that the Next ability makes you faster, when in reality all it did was let him know when to sidestep to avoid where the guy was aiming.

Also, keep in mind that dodging a spray of gunfire when you know where it's going to be coming and when is not the same as having the speed to dodge a superhero's volley of punches, not by any means. Cap only goes down if our time tweaker is aided by villains.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Which means he'll never throw a punch as Cap is both faster and more skilled.
Cap isn't that much faster than a human in fighting. His punches were moving slower than Mayweather's punches. After all, the visual speed is the exact speed according to you.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
Also, keep in mind that dodging a spray of gunfire when you know where it's going to be coming and when is not the same as having the speed to dodge a superhero's volley of punches, not by any means. Cap only goes down if our time tweaker is aided by villains.
Cage doesn't dodge a volley of punches. He dodges a single one and counters while Cap's is out of position.

Captain America is both faster and more skilled than Cris.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Captain America is both faster and more skilled than Cris.

So? Mayweather was faster and more skilled than some of his opponents. That didn't stop them from dodging and striking Mayweather.

When has Mayweather ever been hit by an unskilled person that was slower than him?

Originally posted by Silent Master
When has Mayweather ever been hit by an unskilled person that was slower than him?
You are changing the goalposts. We are talking about being more skilled and faster than someone else.

Since you refuse to back up your claims. Cap wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Since you refuse to back up your claims. Cap wins.
I did. Chris dodges and counters although Cap is faster and more skilled.

Your speculation and opinions aren't proof.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your speculation and opinions aren't proof.
Well Cap's moves him arms as fast as a normal human being since visual speed is exact speed.

So Cage would have no problem dodging him and countering him.

Show examples of Cris dodging and countering someone that is both more skilled and faster then he is.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Show examples of Cris dodging and countering someone that is both more skilled and faster then he is.

Don't need to. Cap is human speed according to you. And skill is irrelevant once you miss with an attack.

You're claiming that he can counter Cap, so yes, you have to provide proof that he can counter someone of Cap's speed and skill. That is how debates work.