Ok, let's break it down. The quote states that Vader's feats of strength distinguished him from Anakin, meaning either:
a)He has strength feats and Anakin doesn't
b)He has more feats of strength than Anakin
c)He has better feats of strength than Anakin
We both know it's not a, obviously, because Anakin has plenty feats of strength. So it's either b or c (or both)
Originally posted by Rebel95
Ok, let's break it down. The quote states that Vader's feats of strength distinguished him from Anakin, meaning either:
a)He has strength feats and Anakin doesn't
b)He has more feats of strength than Anakin
c)He has better feats of strength than AnakinWe both know it's not a, obviously, because Anakin has plenty feats of strength. So it's either b or c (or both)
So I'll pick... a or b. Whatever the case, it doesn't mean anything.
Anakin has demonstrably greater strength feats over Vader.
You need a more definitive quote to conclude what you want.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Stated to be physically stronger than Yoda, giving Dooku's strength an absolute beating when he had no issue against Windu, Yoda, or Grievous, ripping crab droids apart with his hands, etc.
The first comes along with another claim that we know is patently false. That being him having greater speed then Yoda.
The second is untrue since his strength did absolutely nothing to Dooku before he switched to Djem So meaning it's wasn't solely his physical strength but his strength paired with the form that allowed him do so well against Dooku.
The third is not better then Vader's strength feats.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Quote?
Many years later, Obi-Wan and Darth Vader duel a second time. The Sith Lord is now more experienced and powerful.
-- Beware The Sith
Kenobi gauged the shrinking distance between the oncoming troops and himself, then turned a pitying gaze on Vader. “This is a fight you cannot win, Darth. Your power has matured since I taught you, but I too have grown much since our parting. If my blade finds its mark, you will cease to exist. But if you cut me down, I will only become more powerful. Heed my words.”
-- A New Hope
His power was great, now, greater than it had ever been. It shimmered from within, and resonated with the waves of darkness that flowed from the Emperor.
-- Return Of The Jedi
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Anakin's hurling dreadnoughts in seconds and collapsing 30 x 90 domes with screams. He's more powerful than Vader.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Well by laying that out, you concede it's ambiguous.So I'll pick... a or b. Whatever the case, it doesn't mean anything.
Anakin has demonstrably greater strength feats over Vader.
You need a more definitive quote to conclude what you want.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
The first comes along with another claim that we know is patently false.
Oh my, that's not how quotes work. You'll need a better rebutal than that.
The second is untrue since his strength did absolutely nothing to Dooku before he switched to Djem So meaning it's wasn't solely his physical strength but his strength paired with the form that allowed him do so well against Dooku.
He no longer tried to block Skywalker's strikes but only to guide them slanting away; he could not meet Skywalker strength-to strength—not only did the boy wield tremendous reserves of Force energy, but his sheer physical power was astonishing -
mmm
The text is explicit that Anakin's sheer physical strength cannot be handled by Dooku.
Also, he was toying with him when using Shien, hence the lack of domination.
The plan was to lure Dooku into a false sense of confidence an d comfort, after all. 👆
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
The first comes along with another claim that we know is patently false.
Oh my, that's not how quotes work. You'll need a better rebutal than that.
The second is untrue since his strength did absolutely nothing to Dooku before he switched to Djem So meaning it's wasn't solely his physical strength but his strength paired with the form that allowed him do so well against Dooku.
He no longer tried to block Skywalker's strikes but only to guide them slanting away; he could not meet Skywalker strength-to strength—not only did the boy wield tremendous reserves of Force energy, but his sheer physical power was astonishing -
mmm
The text is explicit that Anakin's sheer physical strength cannot be handled by Dooku.
Also, he was toying with him when using Shien, hence the lack of domination.
The plan was to lure Dooku into a false sense of confidence an d comfort, after all. 👆
Many years later, Obi-Wan and Darth Vader duel a second time. The Sith Lord is now more experienced and powerful.
-- Beware The Sith
That doesn't mean Darth Vader is more powerful than peak ROTS Anakin Skywalker, just Obi-Wan-TK-matching Anakin Skywalker.
Kenobi gauged the shrinking distance between the oncoming troops and himself, then turned a pitying gaze on Vader. “This is a fight you cannot win, Darth. Your power has matured since I taught you, but I too have grown much since our parting. If my blade finds its mark, you will cease to exist. But if you cut me down, I will only become more powerful. Heed my words.”
-- A New HopeHis power was great, now, greater than it had ever been. It shimmered from within, and resonated with the waves of darkness that flowed from the Emperor.
-- Return Of The Jedi
I don't think you realize that Darth Vader considers himself and Anakin Skywalker as completely different beings?
He wouldn't be considering Anakin Skywalker in this.
Originally posted by Rebel95
What combat force feats does Anakin have?
The two TK feats I listed were done in a split-second sort of notice.
The quote is pretty definitive, I was laying it out that way to help you understand, since you don't seem to (or just don't want to). If Vader's feats of strength distinguish him from Anakin, it's because he has more, or they're just better.
If he has more, that doesn't mean they were better.
It's ambiguous because, as you stated, it could mean three different things.
You forgot this one @nova 👆 "Pain fed his hate, and hate fed his strength. Once, as a Jedi, he had meditated to find peace. Now he meditated to sharpen the edges of his anger.
He stared at his reflection a long time. His injuries had deformed his body, left it a ruin, but they’d perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight."
Also, some Anakin fanboys like @Ant will disregard a couple of these quotes saying that Vader views himself as a different person than Anakin, so the quotes stating that he grew in power wouldn't apply to Anakin. However, here are some quotes stating pre suit Vader>Anakin, meaning that Suit Vader>pre suit Vader>Anakin
"He could feel his power growing, indeed. He had the measure of his “Master” already; not long after Palpatine shared the secret of Darth Plagueis’s discovery, their relationship would undergo a sudden … transformation".
"You have done well, my new apprentice. Do you feel your power growing?"
"Yes, my Master."
"Lord Vader, your skills are unmatched by any Sith before you. Go forth, my boy. Go forth, and bring peace to our Empire."
I really don't. If the quote is proven false then it can be disregarded. Anakin couldn't even see characters like Sidious or Vaapad amped Windu and while I don't think this means he couldn't react it certainly means he's slower then someone who could actively target Sidious like Yoda. Regardless we know that a hindered Anakin is far below someone like Yoda or Sidious given his performance against Obi Wan. Even if you take the quote literally then it's clear that its dependent on his state of mind.
After Dooku had already been tired out beforehand and when Anakin's rage was ramping up.
"Also, he was toying with him when using Shien, hence the lack of domination."
This is proved false by the text itself.
"He sprang, lightsaber angled for the kill. Obi-Wan leapt from Dooku's far side in perfect coordination—and they met in midair, for the Sith Lord was no longer between them. Anakin looked up just in time to glimpse the bottom of Dooku's rancor-leather boot as it came down on his face and smacked him tumbling toward the floor; he reached into the Force to effortlessly right himself and touched down in perfect balance to spring again toward the lightning flares, scarlet against sky blue, that sprayed from clashing lightsabers as Dooku pressed Obi-Wan away with a succession of weaving, flourishing thrusts that drove the Jedi's blade out of line while they reached for his heart. Anakin launched himself at Dooku's back—and the Count half turned, gesturing casually while holding Obi-Wan at bay with an elegant one-handed bind. Chairs leapt up from the situation table and whirled toward Anakin's head. He slashed the first one in half contemptuously, but the second caught him across the knees and the third battered his shoulder and knocked him down. He snarled to himself and reached through the Force to pick up some chairs of his own— and the situation table itself slammed into him and drove him back to crush him against the wall. His lightsaber came loose from his slackening fingers and clattered across the tabletop to drop to the floor on the far side. And Dooku barely even seemed to be paying attention to him. Pinned, breathless, half stunned, Anakin thought, If this keeps up, I am going to get mad.
"Pain fed his hate, and hate fed his strength. Once, as a Jedi, he had meditated to find peace. Now he meditated to sharpen the edges of his anger.
He stared at his reflection a long time. His injuries had deformed his body, left it a ruin, but they’d perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight."
That's from Canon. 👇
However, here are some quotes stating pre suit Vader>Anakin, meaning that Suit Vader>pre suit Vader>Anakin
Already been addressed. Most works consider Pre-suit Darth Vader to still be Anakin Skywalker. Even people like George Lucas and Nick Gillard do. Not until the armored transformation is there a consistent listing as Anakin Skywalker as Darth Vader. Merely view 4/5 books, and you'd find Mustafar Anakin Skywalker still being referred to as Anakin Skywalker, not Darth Vader. In fact, the Revenge of the Sith novelization specifies, in detail, that he's still Anakin Skywalker foremost.