Is Dooku > Vader?

The new Star Wars comic series confirms that Kenobi didn't practice his saber abilities in exile, by the way.

I have ROTS Dooku>ANH Vader.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Ben Kenobi is nothing. His physicals are terrible and he's old, with shit augmentation. He's weak

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Stop trying to elevate Anakin 😘

Dooku>ANH Vader

Dooku~ESB Vader

ROTJ Vader>Dooku.

I already said why for the first one. For the 2nd one the logic comes from how in Shadows of the Empire Vader said Luke was the strongest Jedi he's fought and we all saw him own him pretty badly. If we extend this to Mustafar Vader than that would place ESB Luke~ROTS Obi wan who also got owned badly by Dooku. So from that Vader and Dooku are in the same tier IMO. ROTJ Vader stated he reached his prime, so a boost in power should have let him surpass Dooku IMO.

That's pretty generous in favor of Dooku, actually.

To be fair, Vader sort of disassociated himself from his past life, so Obi Wan might not count. And of course "powerful" is pretty nebulous.

What's your proof that Dooku wrecked Obi-Wan with minimal effort? The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection claims that he had to use all of his power to remove Obi-Wan.

^ damn, quote?

However, in expending all his energy to dispatch Kenobi, the Count was left helpless before Skywalker's rage.

-- The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection 32

If you're taking that quote as valid I'm assuming you're also taking into account he was weakened substantially when facing Anakin afterwards? 🙂

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No, because it's contradicted. The novel has Dooku washing away his fatigue right after Anakin knocks him off the balcony. By contrast, the Choke is never explained, so it is possible that we take that claim. The junior novel claims that he was using all of his effort to kick Anakin, if that's worth anything.

Anyways, I never said I took that quote, only that it existed. I was merely asking Ellimist for a quote to contradict it, since he seemed to believe differently.

Then there's also the multiple quotes that say he dismissed Obi Wan easily. Obviously the quotes from the RotS era have a bit of schizophrenia.

Edit: You just edited your above response. Like substantially. It's not even the same post.

It was "easy" in that he did it in one move and essentially ragdolled him, but it still took all of his energy. Usain Bolt easily won the gold this summer, but he still gave it his all.

^ at least, that's the best rationalization, I would think.

@Synd - Yep, I did. I was on the fence but then I realized that the novel takes precedence anyway.

Where's the "multiple" quotes for Obi-Wan being dismissed easily?

Originally posted by SunRazer
No, because it's contradicted. The novel has Dooku washing away his fatigue right after Anakin knocks him off the balcony. By contrast, the Choke is never explained, so it is possible that we take that claim. The junior novel claims that he was using all of his effort to kick Anakin, if that's worth anything.

Anyways, I never said I took that quote, only that it existed. I was merely asking Ellimist for a quote to contradict it, since he seemed to believe differently.

So you're still going with force users Dooku level or above have infinite stamina? Lmao.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
So you're still going with force users Dooku level or above have infinite stamina? Lmao.

They do.

Originally posted by SunRazer
@Synd - Yep, I did. I was on the fence but then I realized that the novel takes precedence anyway.

Where's the "multiple" quotes for Obi-Wan being dismissed easily?

Wolf has them. I don't keep quotes stockpiled like the rest of you.