Is Dooku > Vader?

I agree on durability(mostly, since Tyranus is the guy who survives dropping hundreds of meters, and getting kicked in the face by an enraged Anakin despite his guard being down), but I doubt Vader's strength is colossaly greater, though. Well, at least not so colossal that it'll be that big a game changer against Tyranus.

Also, not sure if it's relevant, but I found a quote/scan of Vader noting only 1BBY does he actually start to realize the true power of the Dark Side, which implies he's still sub-Anakin until then and didn't grow that much.

It implies nothing of the sort lmao.

ESB Vader is certainly superior to Dooku, lmao. It's not even a question, really. And ANH Vader is Dooku's clear superior in the Force.

Equals in saber, but Vader is more powerful

Originally posted by MythLord
RotS Dooku should be > ANH Vader

The Kenobi comparison alone is enough to solidify Dooku's position over any version of Vader. And it's the only valuable comparison one can make. Add to the fact that Vader was getting battered by Maul in resurrection and we have a clear winner.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Then there's also the multiple quotes that say he dismissed Obi Wan easily. Obviously the quotes from the RotS era have a bit of schizophrenia.

Edit: You just edited your above response. Like substantially. It's not even the same post.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
On topic I really don't see Dooku ragdolling Old Ben, and Vader has many feats outside TFU that outstrip Dooku's accomplishments.

Then within the scope of Canon, he's confirmed to be Dooku's superior many times over.

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Originally posted by cs_zoltan
It implies nothing of the sort lmao.

Like, legitimately. How did he come to the conclusion from that quote?

Yes, Dooku is better as a duelist. Who'd win in a fight is another matter.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Like, legitimately. How did he come to the conclusion from that quote?

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Originally posted by Ziggystardust
The Kenobi comparison alone is enough to solidify Dooku's position over any version of Vader. And it's the only valuable comparison one can make. Add to the fact that Vader was getting battered by Maul in resurrection and we have a clear winner.

And Vader was "battered" by a doppleganger of Maul which there is no evidence shares the real version's capabilities.

Originally posted by MythLord
I agree on durability(mostly, since Tyranus is the guy who survives dropping hundreds of meters, and getting kicked in the face by an enraged Anakin despite his guard being down), but I doubt Vader's strength is colossaly greater, though. Well, at least not so colossal that it'll be that big a game changer against Tyranus.

Vader being able to tank lightsaber strikes is a pretty big deal tbh. Its a significant edge.

And I wait proof that Old Ben is even on TPM Kenobi's level. The fact that Vader can't beat a decrepit old Kenobi goes pretty hand-in-hand with prime Maul pushing his shit it.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
"This is a fight you cannot win, Darth. Your power has matured since I taught you, but I too have grown much since our parting." - A New Hope.

I think I'd rather take the objective sources stating he's a shadow of his former self over an ambitious quote that could refer to a range of borderline cases - I imagine it refers to Ghost Mode Ben. Till then, accept the music - Vader is getting lowered by everyone.

Aside from the fact that said quote is both dated and contradicted, being a "shadow of his former self" could too refer to a range of "borderline cases" - like his physical and duelling capabilities. So I'll stick to reason for now.

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